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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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au50. it looks like there is considerable rub on the knot, the hair above the knot and the braid of the indian. The cheek is the high point in the obverse, but that looks well rounded. The hair, knot and braid look completely flat but the high point is well formed. The date seems to be all there.
Correspondingly on the reverse the buffalo's forward front leg is the high point of the design and again, it looks rubbed flat with nicks and hits. The hind leg is another high point, but that area does not look rubbed.
The wear pattern is strange because some areas look pristine and some areas look flat, not always consistently at the high points which would be indicative of a soft strike.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
Typical strike issues for the buffalo series. Seems that nearly every date and branch mint have to be graded differently.
Obverse with a slightly weak or weak strike (toning might be hiding some of the strike).
Reverse - OH YEAH!! As others have pointed out - split tail and full horn. Shoulder and hip indicating some wear.
AU53 or possible AU55.
Toning....unfortunately, does not help this coin. XF45 at best.
I do not know if conservation will be able to save this coin.
Thank you for sharing!!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Valued Member
Canada
314 Posts |
I don't know this series well enough to comment, but wow, what a variety of opinions!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
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Valued Member
 Australia
338 Posts |
I think the photos are really not making this easy! So I've taken two more which might help (the old slab makes it very difficult to capture). I find the Buffalos the hardest to grade so its really interesting and helpful to hear everyone's comments!  
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Rest in Peace
United States
18456 Posts |
With the new photos I'm seeing 2 scratches on reverse . One through AMERICA the other above Buffalo's hump . 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
These photos don't help much, I think! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3540 Posts |
OH!!
Believe that is an UNC Buff!!
MS63, possible 64.
BUT....if there is a scratch at the 1 o'clock, then....argh!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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AU details maybe some coin wheel damage.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3660 Posts |
The toning masks the strike a bit, and that makes grading this coin more subjective. (Interestingly, your die pair appears to be a later stage of the die pair used for the NGC illustration. Note the die scratch from the long feather to the nostril and the reverse die crack at 9 o'clock.) The obverse die shows significant die wear, and the clash marks under the Indian's chin are pronounced. LIBERTY is soft, as are the hairline and the braid at the cheek. There is some loss of detail on the feathers, but the third feather, knot and date are at least average for the date and mint. There is a contact mark in the Indian's hair, in the general vicinity of the ear. The reverse die is not as significantly worn as the obverse die, but there is evidence of the clash and die polishing at EPU. There are also die polishing marks between the rear legs and between the Buffalo's head and UNITED. The eye, horn, and tail are weakly struck, but complete. The split tail is evident but weak. There is a small die crack from the front of the Buffalo's head through the rim. There appear to be two long scratches, from ST of STATES to EPU and through AMERICA. The Buffalo is a bit baggy. Given the strike quality and post-clash die polishing, I'm inclined to see the rubbing on the hip as die polishing, rather than a touch of wear. The shoulder, however, looks like it has very light wear. The absence of evident wear on the obverse suggests that the shoulder rubbing may be coin cabinet wear, which is unfortunate. The two reverse scratches are problematic. IMHO, they cut a point or two off the otherwise evident grade. I personally would grade this coin raw as MS-60, but I could well see a TPG using the shoulder rub to slip it to AU-58 and the three contact marks (one obverse and two reverse) to pin a details label on it. The coin deserves better that that, but TPGs are getting tougher on details factors. That said, the second set of photos show a coin with eye appeal and a decent combination of strike and technical grade for the date and mint. It's a nice coin, and thanks for sharing it with us! FtC
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Valued Member
 Australia
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Thanks again for all the detailed and in depth resplies! I had a feeling this one would stir things up, time to reveal the grade, old ANACS had this one as an MS64! 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Buffs....dead heat for top two toughest U.S. series to grade. (in my humble opinion)
THANK YOU for sharing!
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Valued Member
United States
134 Posts |
Im going to say AU55 but not pretty to me.
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