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IT is a bad fake. Check out the hooves on the horse. They are different and not as defined as the coin in the slab...Especially the hoove joint on the left rear leg.. Which is supposedly fake? Edited by CoinOS
04/19/2019 7:02 pm
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New Member
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One for and one against! The hoof in question does look different but it just looks like it has a couple of scratches on it to me.
Does anyone else have an opinion on it?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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292835273334 does not look obviously fake to me but I won't claim to be an expert at picking fake centenary florins.
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How about this one that I've recently come across. Legit or counterfeit? I'm desperate for assistance A lot of the replies here are confusing because they don't include enough info. Your imaged coin six posts up is definitely genuine. It's on ebay at 293044188477292835273334 is not an obvious fake. I'm reasonably confident it's okay but his photography is lazy. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I have been fortunate enough to be invited to examine very high quality fake Melbourne Centenary Florins by a highly respected coin dealer,
and the on screen picture reminds me of a particular example that I examined very closely in hand.
Lack of wreath detail and luster, and overall 'pastiness' remind me of that example.
Tone ping test, weight, and finally XRF test if justified, would prove beyond ant doubt.
I am getting to the point that I would not buy a MCF on line, unless I knew the seller, and who would also provide a highly trusted free return policy.
The very high quality of fakes that I have seen recently, makes me insistent that I am able to examine the coin in hand and also have my own judgement verified with a professional opinion, or tested beyond doubt.
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New Member
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My search for a Melbourne Centenary Florin is proving to be filled with pitfalls & many differing opinions that keep giving me cold feet. As someone mentioned in an earlier post, the florin pictured a few posts above is currently being sold on ebay ( 293044188477) by Monetarium Adelaide which, to me, gave it some legitimacy & made me feel safe purchasing from them. However, now that two members of this forum have cast doubt on it, there's no chance I'm going to buy it. Thanks for your honest, up front opinion on it all sel_69l. I appreciate it. If anyone else has any helpful advice, I'd love to hear it. |
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My thoughts - I think the one " you came across" is a counterfeit. Apart from the coin having a good dip, looking at the horse's bottom jaw/lip : the jaw/lip seems to be " hanging " too close to the horse's chest.
The rider's left arm is " unusual " from what is the norm, the horse's leg knuckles are " unusual ".
It also appears as though the horse's head is joined onto it's chest instead of having a clear visible gap.
If I can get the time, I should have a look at the MCFs I acquired in the 1960's. I believe they are " kosher ".
All/any input from as many contributers to ACC is invaluable to all of us.
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Lack of wreath detail There is a wreath on the centenary florin? I must have missed it. Quote:
Tone ping test, weight, and finally XRF test if justified, would prove beyond ant doubt. Ping is easily done by anyone. Specific gravity is the key test for predecimal silver. Many of us have easy free access to XRF, all my valuable coins have been XRF tested. If what you just typed is true -the contentious 1911 shilling I wrote about here last year is genuine as it passed all tests including XRF. Disappointing truth be told - as that 300 dollar coin would be worth more if it was counterfeit. Quote:
there's no chance I'm going to buy it I hope you find one you like.  Happy Easter Edited by CoinOS
04/20/2019 05:57 am
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I love this: 222923316187$3200  The seller describes the damage thus: 'Mount pin smashed during minting creating clamp points on an already scarce high grade coin' during minting uh huh Is there a polite way to say to the seller - 'You're an idiot' ?
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Forum Dad
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I would agree that wreath detail is not a great discriminator - I've only seen a handful of coins with a wreath that could be described as better than indistinct.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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The ping test, specific gravity and XRF analysis are not very useful in detecting high grade fakes struck on sterling silver. Not hard to make .925 blanks from melting down old coins purchased at bullion value by the bucket load and turning $7 of metal into fakes that sell for hundreds.
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Hi the first ebay florin is a fake. Its missing the design elements you should expect on a genuine coin. The cloak not quite touching and its rounded and the cloak missing a fold. Its much harder on the reverse as the elements are harder to spot other than the riders hand almost vanishing into the horse. And that can happen of worn coins. Once you know what to look for, they are really easy to spot though. I have a page full of these fakes in every denomination to compare. Fake Diameter 28.50mm same. Fake Weight 8.8385g should be 11.3100g. Another key is the rough finish of the planchet leftover from the spark erosion machine EDM. Its hard to see in some of the images on ebay but under magnification in hand. They looks like its been soda blasted. hope that helps. |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I agree that high quality .925 sterling silver fakes are becoming more common.
It is a good idea that we all become variety and minor error collectors.
As a by product of the observational skill in that area, it becomes easier to identify fake coins.
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XRF analysis are not very useful in detecting high grade fakes struck on sterling silver The 1911 thing is of no interest to me, I now only collect rare key dates. A handful of suspect shillings doesn't make much of a case. Your post indicates that you did check that that stuff was silver, which is more than you (or your published article) told me at the time. It was all so secretive - quite odd in a forum that values info sharing & transparency. To investigate that, hi res photos and test results were obviously needed, - and absolutely nothing was ever provided. I haven't seen any decent silver florin fakes, though if anyone wants to make a case, a photo is an essential starting point - and I'd like to see it. (not the centenary though) All counterfeit silver florins I have so far seen are obvious fakes. There is good stuff on ebay, but not much. Most of the premium coins there are bad in one way or another. Many here suggest the elite? Australian coin dealers but - no. They, in my experience are also unpleasant to deal with.. You can find nice stuff a bit further afield. https://www.kuenker.de/en/archiv/stueck/213405That's a decent coin and the price was fair. One ebay dealer here buys most of his old Australian coins from a London auctioneer and resells them on AU ebay for a nice profit. I buy from the same place. Effort is needed to find good stuff at fair prices. Cheerio # Edited by CoinOS
06/08/2019 5:13 pm
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