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These Are Some Expensive Indians . . . But Why?

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 Posted 04/19/2019  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
That doesn't make any sense at all . It's like all bidders have lost their minds . A shill bidder really makes no sense as who in their right mind would bid higher than him for what this seller is offering .
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 Posted 04/19/2019  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Even if some insiders knew what the lot contained, why wouldn't he at least list the dates in order to maximize the bids from others? Very strange....
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 Posted 04/19/2019  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
He also has this auction going, which are common coins selling for way over retail already.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/77-Silver-...AOSw~eJct4a-

Seems like something out of the ordinary is going on.
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 Posted 04/19/2019  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Seems like something CROOKED is going on.
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 Posted 04/19/2019  7:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
Money laundering?
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 Posted 04/19/2019  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list
Can't figure that one either. I checked his other auctions, not as many coins as jewelry, and they were all listed in the same manner. A photo of the best available I would say. At least his/her description seemed straight forward and honest. Perhaps the winning bidder has bought from them in the past. Hard to say at this point.
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 Posted 04/19/2019  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list
If I read the listing correctly AND look at the 11 coins image I come to these conclusions:
-- you will not get what's shown
-- what's shown are common dates (1890's and 1900's)
-- 11 IHC's for $16.99 isn't bad (~$1.59 each) IF they are of the quality shown.

But I'm the type that says I want to see exactly what I'm getting -- and BOTH sides.
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 Posted 04/19/2019  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Heymikep to your friends list
Yeah but he gives a 60 day return policy!
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 Posted 04/19/2019  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
It looks odd but I suspect this is a case of bidding founded on a (possibly good) assumption -- that the average person will not put items in a safe deposit box unless they have a value that merits the (rather expensive) rent.

Ask yourself one question: If I were going to store my coins in a small safe deposit box, which coins would I choose to put in the box?

That being said, it's a gamble, just like buying storage units or any other repossessed / auctioned "blind" lots.

Bid raises from buyer s*s from 4:54:35 to 4:55:19, a span of just under two minutes, on 4/10
$6 $6 $6 $6 $3 $2 $6 $3 $3 $6 $6 $2 $6 $6 $8 ($72 increase)
These were unopposed raises (no bids in opposition) -- why do that?

The bidder with 27+k feedback raised his bid from $375 to $564 by placing 6 bids in a span of 11 seconds (!!) despite no opposing bids.
At $564 our winning bidder jumps in with a $569.99 bid, which is raised to $620 by 27k feedback guy
27k feedback guy then raises his bid from $620 to $930 in less than 3 minutes

However, as a counterpoint, Texas does sell unclaimed property via ebay. To quote Texas law on the process:

SUBCHAPTER E. DISPOSITION OF DELIVERED PROPERTY

Sec. 74.401. SALE OF PROPERTY. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (c) or Section 74.404, the comptroller shall sell at public sale all personal property, other than money and marketable securities, delivered to the comptroller in accordance with Section 74.301. The comptroller shall conduct the sale in the city in this state that the comptroller determines affords the most favorable market for the particular property.

(b) The comptroller shall sell the property to the highest bidder. If the comptroller determines that the highest bid is insufficient, the comptroller may decline that bid and offer the property for public or private sale.
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 Posted 04/20/2019  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
That's an awful crazy gamble . Unless winning bidder new more about this property lot .
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 Posted 04/20/2019  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
The names and amounts are public knowledge. So if seller chooses to, he can disclose to a bidder the name of the individual whose safety deposit box it was, and the city in which it was located, and then the bidder can use the state's own unclaimed property website to see the unclaimed amount or an estimate of its value based on declared contents.

This account APPEARS to be the official account from the State of Texas based on what research I was able to do. They shouldn't play favorites, but you never know. Like pretty much everything else in Texas, the auction process is subcontracted to private companies and individuals, not run directly by the State.

I checked myself a couple years ago and found I had $67 unclaimed from a 15 year old savings account back when I was married. Didn't bother claiming it since the required paperwork wasn't worth the hassle and since I'd have to convince my ex to sign it as well.

And yes, it's a gamble, but look at the TV and see people bidding hundreds or thousands of dollars bidding on "sealed" repossessed storage units and either ending up very disappointed or very lucky. Sometimes you get the goat, sometimes you get money. One of the bidders I saw when I was in the hospital last time bid something like $1300 and won a bunch of old stuffed animals, junky furniture, and bed linens. This is offset by the people who win one for $500 and find it full of old car parts, coins, sports cards, artwork, jewelry or whatever.

Just like the unclaimed storage unit auctions, and estate sales too, the people running the auctions can and will tip off "preferred" bidders/buyers as to the contents in advance, often with the exact intent to create a bidding war.
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04/20/2019 11:32 am
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 Posted 04/21/2019  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Just a bunch of people caught up in a bidding thing. People are just sort of nuts.
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 Posted 04/23/2019  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
tx.unclaimed.property, IMO, is a legit seller, as I said imo. I've followed them for a while, and they have quite a following. Was there some rare dates in the lot? Was there some bid fever? Only 2 bidders took it past $300? So who knows. If you check out their stuff, they are always selling large lots 90% silver, etc. Basically no reserve auctions with great feedback. To rich for my blood, not stacking, and I'm not a gambler. I did buy one inexpensive thing from them, and if I remember correctly it came from a proper office of the Texas gov't. Could the whole thing be a scam....sure. But it's one of the most real sellers I've seen. Buy something cheap from them, and check out the package it comes in.
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 Posted 05/16/2019  07:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paradimecoins to your friends list
something doesn't seem right
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 Posted 05/16/2019  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoctorBurnzy to your friends list
This is run by the State of Texas......I think those other 28 pennies are rather special....and someone on the inside told someone about it and only took a picture of the garbage 1907 IHP and told a friend and maybe the person on the inside try to get it as well.....post only the garbage photo, but somehow the information slipped to a few people and then it became a bidding war.....find out the name on the box....That person who posted the picture of the 1907 garbage definitely posted that photo on purpose to throw off potential bidders so they could get it cheap....but loose lips sink ships and a bidding war ensued. The bidder who won has 100% bidding with the seller. I guarantee you the winning bidder is either the inside man/woman who posted the 1907 photo or girlfriend or relative with a dummy account they use strictly for doing this sort of scheme. The state of Texas should be made aware of this scheme/insider bidding etc. It's rigged when something really good comes along! It's the definition of fraud.
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