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Shot In The Dark... 1864 F/E

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 Posted 05/19/2019  03:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list
Filled die?
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 Posted 05/19/2019  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcshilling to your friends list
Very nice find, congrats
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 Posted 05/19/2019  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gidjit to your friends list
i think the variety everyone is thinking of is the E/F variety which is on the obverse legend where it should read :FD for the last 2 letters but the variety reads :ED as seen in a pic of my coin below (I've been lucky enough to have found a couple) your coin I believe is just a Grease Filled Die
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 Posted 05/19/2019  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Grease filled die.
For sure.
But who are we to question a TPG.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 05/19/2019  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Obone2003 to your friends list
Oh well, thats too bad. I'll take a closer look when it arrives.
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 Posted 05/19/2019  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
When I blow up the pics it looks like the E may have taken a hit.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
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 Posted 05/21/2019  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list
the "grading company" is owned by a coin dealer.

"conflict of interest" doesn't begin to describe my feelings about that situation

a quick google search will enlighten you as to how they do business...
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 Posted 05/21/2019  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
I know of three mint state F/E varieties, the finest being MS-64RB

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 Posted 05/21/2019  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list
i could be wrong, but isn't the OP referring to the E in nEw brunswick? appearing as an F instead? (F/E)

if so then I suspect this is a made up variety by a made up TPG

if it is referring to the recognized E/F variety then (even with the poor photos) I dont see it at all
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 Posted 05/22/2019  05:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list
Yes, I think that it IS the E in "New" that the OP was talking about .. I just think that the discussion drifted a tad.
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 Posted 05/23/2019  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list

Quote:
it IS the E in "New"


so again, a made up variety by a made up TPG.

stunning token, but as it's an 1864 it isn't a tough one to find.
just hope obone2003 didn't pay a premium for the (non)variety
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 Posted 05/23/2019  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Obone2003 to your friends list
Thanks for the help everyone. That's too bad, but I think I still got a decent price. I paid $200 cad for an uncirculated example, and it just arrived. Luster is amazing, and has a superb look to it.
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 Posted 05/24/2019  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list
Technically a filled die is not a variety. It's an error.

I have a ton of NB 1864s and have documented at least 7 or 8 interesting die varieties. Of those, the Tall 6 and the Short 6 E over F in FD are the most well known. There is also a repunched 6 and a repunched 8 in 1864 among others.

The filled die phenomenom is common in the NB 1864s and therefore I don't believe it gives any premium.

Furthermore, it is irresponsible for this TPG to claim this as a "NEW F/E Variety" - it's nothing of the sort.



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 Posted 05/25/2019  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list
Hard to tell from the pictures if the made up TPG is accurate with their guesstimate on grade.
If they are making up varieties then I really can't trust their grade.
Looks really nice, but $200 seems like a lot unless MS63 or higher.
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 Posted 05/27/2019  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian-varieties to your friends list
I agree on the price estimate. Closer to $80-100.

That being said, I do believe the NB 1864s overall in Mint state are undervalued. I tend to buy any I can get my hands on.
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