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Quote: If there is no slot in my Albums for one of those, I could care less. Could not care less. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Depends, he may still care a little, in which case he could care less. 
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He cares for nothing.  I kid, Just Carl. I kid. You know I love ya.  And he has a point. No assigned space in the albums and only a few extra spaces at the end (if you have Dansco). If I find any they will go into 2x2s. That is a big if. I also doubt I would be buying them any time soon.
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Bedrock of the Community
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There is no space for them in the current albums (how could there be, the albums were prduced before they came up with this idea.) But eventually I think there will be albums that have spaces for both the S mint business strikes and the W mint coins.
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Quote: But eventually I think there will be albums that have spaces for both the S mint business strikes and the W mint coins. Probably so for Whitman and Littleton, but I would not hold my breath on Dansco. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Probably the existing book with the proofs included for the S Mints instead, and as far as the Ws, maybe an add on page? They all sell pages without labels to add to the books also
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Quote: They all sell pages without labels to add to the books also This is how I store the most modern coins now (after the original Dansco albums got filled). I put some blank cent, nickel, and dime pages into a plain Dansco binder.  Those pesky 2019-W cents this year? No problem, just slap them right in line. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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It's honestly probably better to just have a completely blank album at least that way you can keep things in order when something unexpected comes along
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Exactly. It all started for me with the Westward Journey nickels.
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Pillar of the Community
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Nice to have choices of what and how to collect.
KK
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For a fresh take on something ELSE fishy...
PCGS announced the winners of the final Quarter Quest Bounty the other week. I confirmed on the phone with a member of the business development team that the winners were received on Monday before 5:30pm--I had submitted my Day of Release-discovered W as a FedEx First Overnight on Monday (to arrive in CA at 8:30am Tuesday) and was surprised I wasn't contacted as a winner later that week.
Given that you can't Same-Day from the east coast (where the four winners were from) AND given that there were other cases of known Accidental Early Releases, it's impossible that the winning submissions were actually discovered on the official release date of Monday Nov 4th.
The Business Dev rep also mentioned that there were early releases they were contacted about and PCGS told them that only coins received on or after the Nov 4th release date were eligible to win. I pointed out that if the coins were received that Monday, that they had to have been sent the previous weekend--FedEx isn't open on Sundays, so a Saturday was likely the shipment date.
While PCGS has its prerogative to judge its contests however it wants, this is a case of blatant inconsistency--with the San Antonio winner announcement, they SPECIFICALLY describe a winning coin as having to be "found in circulation on or after the official release date."
Prize money aside, these First Discovery coins auction for over $1,000 in MS64. PCGS is in the wrong for awarding that status to coins that should be properly slabbed as "Accidental Early Releases," especially since the judging team knew that there was a potential huge number of AERs.
When I called out the rep--diplomatically, of course--on the phone call for them not checking the shipment dates on the winners, he quickly switched to "patronize" mode and essentially implied that I was a case of sour grapes.
My LCS owner and others in my club who also found out about the controversy sided with me.
So, just a case of actually fishy things being afoot.
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 to the Community, montypython!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Again nothing fishy at all. They awarded it for the ones they got on the first day like everyone knew they would for a contest they never had to do in the first place
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New Member
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@basebal21 I respectfully disagree.
The winning coins could not have possibly been found "on or after the official Mint release date" (their own published terms for a winning quarter) because FedEx cannot Same Day from Arkansas, Louisiana, Maryland, and/or Mississippi. I know this because FedEx told me (here in Utah) that Same-Day was not available to California.
Here's the facts: - Banks open at 9am Monday Nov 4th. - According to the PCGS Twitter feed, they had a 2019 W Frank Church in-hand in their system by 11:30 am PST. - IF one of the winning quarters was found by someone on the official release date and submitted it "on or after the official Mint release date," it had to have been submitted immediately upon being found. - PCGS Customer Service contacted Shipping Dept for me and told me their daily pickups are at 10am PST and 5:30 pm PST. - There was a known case of HUNDREDS of Accidental Early Release Quarters in Arkansas, as documented in the official press release article.
Had the winner been from Los Angeles, it could've feasibly been hand-delivered and met all the conditions for a Day of Release find.
However, based on my research, the earliest flight out of Arkansas to LAX is 9:59 am and arrives 4:05 pm in LAX, which would've missed the cutoff for the AM pickup to be in-hand and announced by PCGS at 11:30 PST.
Not even I could make the cutoff if I had pulled one immediately at 9am and flown myself to their shipping address myself, and it's only a 2 hr flight.
There is no possible way for the winners to have found the quarters on Monday the 4th and had them submitted and delivered by the time PCGS publicly announced their first ones were in-hand.
Again, PCGS has the right to set the terms for their contest.
But if they're going to offer special slabs and bounties, in order to maintain the integrity of their labeling system for a prestigious "First Discovery," they have an obligation to be CONSISTENT in the enforcement of their terms for competition.
This is not the case this time.
They allowed themselves to be gamed and shrugged off my criticism to that effect. You'll notice, conveniently, none of the press release bios mentioned WHEN the coins were found by the winners.
PCGS needs to come clean about this SNAFU, for the sake of transparency for other participants, Authorized Dealers, and future buyers of the special issues, many of whom spent significant money to First Overnight their fair-gotten submissions.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: But if they're going to offer special slabs and bounties, in order to maintain the integrity of their labeling system for a prestigious "First Discovery," they have an obligation to be CONSISTENT in the enforcement of their terms for competition. They have been consistent the whole it. The first ones they get on or after the official release date get it. Anything they get ahead of time which was unexpected the first time it happened gets a different one. For whatever reason several versions of them gotten into the wild before they were supposed too
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