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1941 Wheat Penny Possibly On A Foreign Planchette?

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 Posted 07/05/2019  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Khryscoins to your friends list
Sorry if you thought that was directed towards you But it totally wasn't. And I didn't mean it towards anyone specifically it's just sometimes people give you a short condescending reply and I was appreciative of him taking his time to give me a detailed Explanation that's all that was.
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 Posted 07/05/2019  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
The problem is that according to the Mint Directors report for 1941 they did not make coins for Panama. They did make bronze coins for the Dominican Republic. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000068053413&view=1up&seq=15

The 1 Centavo is a bronze coin whose weight is 3 grams exactly. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6983.html
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 Posted 07/06/2019  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
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 Posted 07/06/2019  01:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I have been a generalist (not a specialist) with numismatics for more decades than I am prepared to admit.
I rely on specialists.
Now, everyone knows why my learning curve is still so steep, thanks to the CCF!
Thanks Big-Kingdom.
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 Posted 07/06/2019  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
Only reason I know what I do on this particular specific subject is I thought I had one for a time too and researched like a mad man on it.

There is no one complete, accurate list of every coin the u.s. mint produced for other countries. I think it's somewhere between 1200-1500 coin types and dates over 100 years.

There's a book called "Foreign Coins Struck at United States Mints" by Charles G Altz and E. H. Barton, this covers most of 1876-1963.

Then the ANA library has a copy of a report issued by the Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Mint entitled "Domestic and Foreign Coins Manufactured by Mints of the United States, 1793 - 1980". Again not complete and stops at 1980 and it's all listed by fiscal year, which doesn't always line up with the date on the coins.

So then kind of have to cross reference with "Standard Catalog of World Coins" for KM#'s to figure out the dates and what happened.

In fiscal year 1940 the u.s. mint struck about 1.6 million 1-1/4 centesimos as well as a couple million 2-1/2 centesimos for Panama. These would have been dated 1941 though due to the actual year at the time of minting.

I don't know much of anything else though lol. I just did my homework on this subject because I though I might be rich with a 1941 on a panama 1 cent planchet.
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These kind of ridiculously detailed replies make me feel like I know about as much as someone that just got their first proof set on their 9th birthday.
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Khrys welcome to CCF...great question with a fantastic response meant to educate. Everyone learns.

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 Posted 07/06/2019  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
HI jmkendall!

Panama isn't on the 1941 report because it's on the 1940 report. It was struck in FY1940 with a 1941 date same time they were working on the 1941 cents.

Also, I went through all of this for about 6 months trying to figure it all out, then I found pictures of the PCGS coin slab which made it clear to me it wasn't on a 1C planchet or the 1-1/4 centesimos planchet and was struck on the 2-1/2 centesimos planchet. The coin is the wrong color for bronze.

PCGS just did a sloppy job at labeling the slab as "stk on Panama 1C plan" probably because someone else attributed it and wrote it as struck on cent planchet but didn't specify if it was the 1-1/4 or 2-1/2.

The Dominican Republic 1 Centavo KM# 17 isn't it either, it's also the wrong color compared to the PCGS slabbed specimin.
Also the Dominican Republic 1 Centavo was 3.11g 19mm, again it was struck on the same planchet used for the U.S. 1 cent KM# 132. The difference was also only the collar and the dies. It was the same Lincoln Cent planchet stock.

And I think numista is wrong, or rounding on that weight.
NGC as well as other sites has it as 3.11g
https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...duid-1239248
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Thanks for all of your replys your Knowledge on the subject is astonishing although I think I am now more Unsure. Lol suppose taking it to a specialist is best but please if you Think of anything else Or come across anything don't hesitate to reply.
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Your fiscal years are backwards.

Fiscal 1940 would have started Oct. 1st, 1939 and ended on September 30th 1940. Therefore those coins minted for Panama would have been dated 1939 and 1940. There is litterally no way for a coin minted in fiscal 1940 to be dated 1941.

As for the weights, I'm just relying on published data. Though there may be a way to verify with earlier years. When the new Mint director took over in the 30s, she was a political hack and the Directors report was slashed in half to just the absolute bare minimum necessary.
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I'm saying it's on the FY1940 report for whatever the reason, not on FY1941 report. Perhaps it was right on the edge of the two years and they started minting 1941 cents, I wasn't there.l to see it with my own eyes on how it went. Maybe the made the Panama coins in 1940 and a planchet hung around until 1941 Lincoln Cent minting.


I can tell you this. The 1941 cent on a Panama planchet is not on a bronze planchet and neither the Panama 1-1/4 cetesimos or the DR 1 centavo are the same color as the wrong metal coin graded by PCGS.
The error coin is not on a bronze planchet and it's clear in pictures of it its not bronze.

For me that's what ended my research into it. I assume it's the 2-1/2 centesimos copper nickel planchet because that's what the color appears to be most like.
Check other places for the DR 1 centavo weight. This was also struck on u.s. Lincoln Cent planchets just like the Panama 1-1/4 cetesimos.

I can only go by what I can gather from multiple sources of information and come up with my best guess on how it might have went, but when I saw the example coin itself it became clear to me it's a wrong metal error and not just a weight issue alone.
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 Posted 07/08/2019  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list
I have not checked but it could have been done in fiscal 42, as it started in Calender 41.

I can buy them being struck on US cent planchents, as that was the easiest thing to do. Especially for Panama. The US mint did mint a number of odd coins. I have a 1937 cent that is ridiculasly thin and light.

Good luck in your research
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BRONZE Wheaty? Very Yellow Tone? WRONG PLANKET?
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to CCF...good question/inquiry..great replies..
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