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Proof Vs Uncirculated . Which Is Better?

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 Posted 09/14/2019  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Erscolo to your friends list
I have never bought the uncirculated sets or proof sets for their potential value down the line. I buy them for their beauty and representation of the coins struck by the United States Mint. I do buy a proof set, silver proof set and uncirculated set each year. I should note that a proof is a method of striking a coin, whereas an uncirculated is a grade of the coin struck. Uncirculated sets will be cheaper, with more coins (Denver and Philadelphia strikes), whereas Proof sets historically have sold more and have less coins (San Francisco strikes). Of course there is that West Point coin and multiple quarters each year to contend with.
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 Posted 09/14/2019  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3wheels to your friends list
I'm just looking at the standard coins. Penny, Nickel, Dime and Quarter. For example the set this year comes with a W penny and I'm guessing that is worth it.
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 Posted 09/14/2019  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Complicated subject, like comparing apples and oranges. Whatever you decide, don't do it for the "investment" potential. Proof sets (including the half dollar) from over 60 years ago are still available for around $20.



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 Posted 09/14/2019  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Wondering individually, are proof coins or uncirculated individual coins a better investment long term.


Neither are good investments from the mint. The price will likely go down and the quality can be so so. The after market you can pick them yourself and potentially create some upside with the uncirculated coins.

There's no upside on the normal proof sets now. There's enough of them that enough 70s will get graded and the big boys can get those graded dirt cheap which also keeps the prices down.

The uncirculated most have no upside either. However, the premium business strike examples are worth more and sometimes much more when graded. So if you pick nice sets you could have potentially created upside.

Either way the sets themselves have basically no upside unless the mintages drastically decline or something like that. If you like them get them, but they wouldn't be good for investment. If it has to be one of these two get the unciruclated
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 Posted 09/14/2019  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list
Right now, the market is (and will probably will be forever) flooded with both proof and mint sets. The LCS I worked at just shipped 10 boxes of proof sets and we still have too many. No one is buying right now.
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 Posted 09/14/2019  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list
First thing , you have to realize that proofs are a special method of striking a coin .It is not a grade condition as in uncirculated coins . I believe over the past few years the mint has put out some fantastic looking gem uncirculated coins all denominations . Also the Proof coins in 69-70 are a beauty in the making . So it's your call but if I were you ,for your kids I would give them OBW rolls of all denominations each year . the trick is to salt them away in plastic tubes that are a little bigger than the papered roll .cap tightly closed and tell them not to open them until they are in their adult world . Not very exciting for them but it's almost a sure thing for the long term holding .
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 Posted 09/15/2019  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list
A 529 is a much better investment.
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 Posted 09/15/2019  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3wheels to your friends list
Thanks for the advice. What about the W Pennies?
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 Posted 09/15/2019  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
There are going to be as many W pennies as sets of proof/uncirculated are sold. Today they are hot, I believe the price will go down to what a comparable proof penny costs so a few dollars.

I got 2 W pennies and probably did 25% of the people here. The reverse proof maybe the hardest to get as the mint sells less silver proofs.
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 Posted 09/15/2019  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list
A Roth IRA is a good investment if you are young. Other than that, buy the coins you like.
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 Posted 09/15/2019  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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What about the W Pennies?


The top grade business strikes should do alright. The proofs probably stagnate.

The unknown is will the mint do more of these in the future, that can either help or hurt depending on how it is done but generally would cheapen these
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 Posted 09/15/2019  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
IF it's for kids, stick with what ever you can find the cheapest. I say that since kids are kids and you really have no idea what they will like some day. I know I USED to give all the kids I know Proof sets for Christmas. At one time I was giving 14 sets and a Red Book each year. Today only one still has them. All the rest ended up in coin stores. So be careful of what you give kids while they are kids.
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 Posted 09/17/2019  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BobK to your friends list
If you had bought a proof set from the Mint every year of issue from 1957 on, and two sets (one clad and one silver) from 1992 on, you'd have spent $1,935.90. The 2020 RedBook values on them add up to $2,411.

If you'd bought a mint set every year from 1965 to date you'd have spent $689.45 and the RedBook on them is $720.00.

So neither is a particularly good investment.
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 Posted 09/20/2019  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add YourGeorgiaPeach to your friends list
Whatever you decide to pursue, Unc or Proof, wait until they're of an age where their interests and hobbies are clearly defined and you'd know that buying sets annually would be beneficial to them. You could try one (just for the heck of it I'd do a proof set because of the unique finish) as a trial for your kids one Christmas, and maybe get them into coin roll hunting and see if any of them catch the bug. Otherwise just give them some time before you go all out.
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 Posted 09/20/2019  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
Well I'd say, as a gamble of course, the uncirculated sets have the most coins and the cheaper price, the the greater potential for a true gem coin to be there worth some more money other than a bit over face value.

With the P's and D's there's a chance that any year the strike of one of the denominations, isn't that good and finding a MS68, MS69 or MS70 is really hard to come by but could be gotten from the set due to more care taken at the mint. Not saying it happens just saying the possibility exists.

We do it because we love coins in general, so I guess if your kids love coins and would cherish the sets more than ice cream or candy, maybe it's a good idea.
probably better to hold a "coin hunt saturday" or sunday and pick up a box of coins and show them what to look for and try and get them into the hobby strong first than just buying them sets of coins. You'd also have the memories of the hunts and the time spent together when they are off to college and then starting their own families to cherish.

If I got coins as a gift as a kid I was like "awesome!". if it was my bothers, they'd react like it was socks. LOL
it's not for everyone.

With Proof coins they seriously should be PR68 at worst, Likely PR69 or 70, because of the proof process, there will always be a lot of near perfect, or perfect coins. for this reason there isn't a huge upside to them, and why the coin shopping channels on TV love them, because they can get a bunch and sell it as "top graded" and the less knowledgeable might bite and think $50 for a $5 coin graded is a good deal since it's top grade.

Now I say "Gamble" because it really is, the likelihood you buy the sets each year and they don't go up in value and there isn't any condition rarity is real, but I think if you are going to do it, the uncirculated Mint sets would be the better route to go.

They would be right, that a retirement fund or a college fund a stock or heck, even a savings bond would probably be better than buying mint or proof sets in the long run.
Not only that but kids are kids and for the most part a coin is a coin to them, and when the ice cream truck passes by all bets are off on that set surviving. LOL

You have just as much chance of buying a newly released comicbook, baseball card, packaged toy ect, any "collectible", and seeing where it's at in 20 years, again a gamble. it's likely there isn't much if any appreciation of value, but, you might get lucky.
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