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Lincoln Cents And Zinc Rot?

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 Posted 10/05/2019  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list

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 Posted 10/05/2019  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
I have noticed that an even half way decent zincoln is getting tough.

I suspect the reason that coppers are fairly steady at 5% is that the zinc coins are rotting faster than the coppers are being hoarded. The cost to the taxpayer for this nonsense is very high.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Interesting conversation. I search through thousands of cents a week and--of course--come across large numbers of zinc cents. I haven't noticed any increase in zinc rot. Among other things, I keep any cents which appear to be MS64 or better--and that hoard just gets larger and larger. That pile contains an overwhelming number of pristine late 80s through late 2000s coins. Perhaps being out in the western 40% of the US where humidity isn't much of a problem contributes to the relative stability of Zincolns. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of rot out there, I just haven't noticed a rot increase in daily finds, or in what I've been holding onto for years.
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Interesting conversation. I search through thousands of cents a week and--of course--come across large numbers of zinc cents. I haven't noticed any increase in zinc rot. Among other things, I keep any cents which appear to be MS64 or better--and that hoard just gets larger and larger. That pile contains an overwhelming number of pristine late 80s through late 2000s coins. Perhaps being out in the western 40% of the US where humidity isn't much of a problem contributes to the relative stability of Zincolns. Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of rot out there, I just haven't noticed a rot increase in daily finds, or in what I've been holding onto for years.


It's not so much the dreaded rot that is increasing so much since once they start rotting, they don't last long. What's increasing is the black spots that appear on brand new coins. I coincidentally had three nice Gems on my dresser yesterday received in change ('18, '18-D, and '19-D) and all three had horrible black spotting. The '18(P) wasn't quite so bad.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
I'm noticing the black zits on new coins. The 2019 just seems terrible while the 2017 are mostly ok.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add everything to your friends list
They all get black spots, you can smell them, they stink. Zinc is a really good protector, you see it on ship screws. But zinc pennies have always been spotty looking to me. Due to the thin copper coating they will catch whatever the other copper or zinc coated copper coins have going on.
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 Posted 10/06/2019  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Don't complain to much. The Mint makes them like that so people will really start saying get rid of that thing. If not enough complaints, the Mint will start making the Cent out of Cheese or clay or plastic or ..............
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 Posted 10/07/2019  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
Just a few thoughts and rants. We have a long history of poor substitute metal coinage. The zinc plated steel cents rusted when the thin zinc layer quickly wore in circulation. The wartime nickels were too soft, and wore quickly. The copper plated zinc cents have a thin layer of copper on the obverse and reverse, which is problematic, but a double thickness layer on the edge, which works better. The brass-manganese-nickel dollar coins have the same rapid ugliness as the zinc cents. The only long-lasting and successful substitute metal coinage is the cupro-nickel-clad coinage (and its cousin, the briefly used silver clad half dollar coinage).

The problem with the cents is the bonding of the thin plating with the zinc. Zinc oxidizes quickly, which creates a protective layer. That's a good trait, because it protects what lies beneath. That makes it a perfect galvanizing metal for steel, for example.) Jarden Zinc makes the cent blanks, using a proprietary plating method that double-plates the edges and single-plates the surfaces. IMHO, three issues appear to exist:
The zinc core thinly oxidizes before plating. This places the zinc oxide in contact with the bottom of the copper plating, as well as normal oxidation from the outside surface. The plating is too thin on the coin surfaces to withstand this two-pronged attack. The edge plating is thicker, and better resists this issue.
The upsetting mill conversion of a blank into a planchet comes after plating. The resulting metal stress affects the surface plating near the proto-rim. This is a common area for deterioration.
The planchets are soft enough to be struck without annealing. The force of striking weakens the copper surface plating at stress points, particularly the raised lettering and more sharply defined devices. This is the most common area for deterioration.

Canada experimented with copper plated zinc cents, as well. The Canadian cents do not show the level of deterioration seen on the U.S. copper plated zinc cents, though they do show the same ugliness from loss of detail and surface discoloration. Canada also used copper plated steel cents toward the end of its production run of one cent coins. These coins fared much better in circulation, partly because copper bonds much better with steel and partly because Canada ceased production of one cent coins soon thereafter, and the coins did not circulate as heavily.

On a positive note, the massive unnecessary supply of zinc cents guarantees a supply of zinc oxide for retro sunburn cream for lifeguards' noses for many endless summers.
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On a positive note, the massive unnecessary supply of zinc cents guarantees a supply of zinc oxide for retro sunburn cream for lifeguards' noses for many endless summers.


Thanks for all the info.

These "coins" are a handy source of zinc. I've used them for various things including avoiding a trip to the drugstore when I realized I might not have been getting enough zinc in my diet. A short soak in vinegar renders the vinegar suitable for a high zinc salad dressing.

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Zinc is a poor electrical conductor but it can be pounded into stronger metals to bridge gaps.

With the many uses for zinc we probably have a 10,000 year supply right in what the mint calls "circulation". We might only have a 6 month supply of corn but we can all have pockets full of pennies.
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Is it possible that some 1980 Lincoln Penny have zinc rot due to mint trials?
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Highly unlikely Hams. 1982 is the year with all the different versions. You can always weigh a questionable zinc core cent.
3.1 grams would be non-zinc, 2.5 grams would be zinc core. Hope that helps.
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Is it possible that some 1980 Lincoln Penny have zinc rot due to mint trials?


No, zinc planchets did not exist in 1980.
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Is it possible that some 1980 Lincoln Penny have zinc rot due to mint trials?

No the zinc planchets were introduced in mid year 1982.
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 Posted 12/18/2023  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
Lincoln Cents are zinc planchets plated in copper since 1982 and this process took a while to perfect. The plating didn't often completely adhere to the zinc planchet and so the air in these areas would expand and create bubbles of all shapes and sizes which look like freckles, or jokingly measles or a leper you are seeing. You can actually poke and burst these shapes and bubbles.

Once these pockets are breached it doesn't take long for the zinc bloom or Hydrozincite to form and eventually zinc rot to occur. I can imagine its far worse going through pocket change as those coins of course the copper may have be worn exposing the zinc, or were exposed to elements. I can see why some would want to avoid them unless they were still uncirculated. Plating bubbles don't add any value to a coin, but collectors have paid a premium for them mistakenly because the coin was misrepresented as something else or the collector thought it was something it is not. An extreme example of plating bubbling however might go for a few dollars on occasion, or such that it impacts the design in some way.

Zinc rot is like the equivalent of a zombie, dead but not as its still spendable. In 1982 when the rising cost of copper made the cent more expensive to produce than its face value, a new composition of copper-plated zinc was adopted for the cent. These cents had a core composed of 99.2% zinc and 0.8% copper, with a plating of pure copper. It is a very unstable combination. Often around the mintmark, small breaks of the plating occur as the coin is struck. That spot is a prime target area for corrosion to begin under the copper plating. Other reasons such as damage can also allow the inner zinc core to be exposed and once that does the whitish substance will form as a protective barrier but when worn off from further circulation makes the rot continue. Unfortunately these don't have a premium, are common, and usually will get worse over time if the zinc continues to be exposed to the atmosphere. This happens because people put them back into circulation. The good news is that if you don't disturb the whitish protective barrier, they should not deteriorate further unless it was a major break in the copper at least. As far as the black spots on the shield cents,I havent been paying as much attention.
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