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AU to virtually UNC(British/Australian Grading)
Good overall lustre, nice detail, appears UNC, closer examination shows lightest wear on Kangaroos Spine, the emu's face and the tips of the shield, also high point of George. Notice the 2 sets of pearls either side of the middle diamond in the crown. In very high AU coins like this, these are all clear, but edges will show slight fuzziness,
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lovely coin would as grade I think AUNC 55-58 range
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From American Grading POV it is an AU...I'll say AU58.
KK
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Australia
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Surface wear on the high points almost always shows up first on the feathers of the emu (rev), and high points on the mustache, beard and eyebrow of the King (obv).
I can't see any.
Nice luster.
The obvious scratches in the field on the reverse will bring the grade down to
MS-62 or 3.
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True sel_69...I was looking at the king's shoulder...could that just be discoloration then?
KK
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Had a close look at the King's shoulder, I think that this area OK for no wear.
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MS62. Worryingly to me is the rim, could be the lighting/camera but is there a hint of finning on the rims? It seems that for some reason a number of 1928 in UNC have been through auctions these past few years. Probably just a sign that they are a relatively common date (and my paranoia) but with the number of fake shillings of multiple dates that PCGS graded 2-3 years ago I'm always concerned about those expert fakers perfecting their craft.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Finning on the rims OK for genuine.
I have about a dozen or so 1927 Canberras that show this feature, (struck very slightly off centre, but still within the collar),
and I have no doubt at all they are all genuine. All well struck (except for the steps, which can vary), weight the same, ping tone the same.
You may wish to check the pictured coin for comparative ping tone, but I have no doubt that it will be the same as any other Florin of George V.
Edited by sel_69l
12/27/2020 06:07 am
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This one is over at PCGS now and my guess is MS63 .Hopefully
I will know soon
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This is a good exercise for me, observing everyone's comments. Look forward to your sharing of the grade PCGS assigns.
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Results are in and looks like PCGS got it right again  |
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Fair dinkum, they may be right.
I can't speak for all of you, but it is REALLY hard to grade high grade Australian Florins, AU up is impossible. Especially when collectors like me are used to VF at best for the GV and earlier stuff and only having high grade for my G6 and E's.
Looking for UNC, should be no obvious wear to naked eye, the first spots I see are on the spines of the Roo and Emu, the very edges of the shield (And same for Kruger Grey Obverse) - this coin I thought I saw the slightest rubbing on the emu's beak and the star (The apex may have a light rub). Any obvious flattening in this area with a full shine is a high EF piece. Lighest rubbing on spines, beaks and stars is AU.
To me AU really is a smidgen below UNC and still fantastic (Any AU King George Florins you don't want - send them my way!).
The other problem I find with Aussie silver, mostly shilling and florin is you can have full lustre on VF pieces! and here in NZ I find cleaning is a common issue, many naive collectors get fooled by cleaned VG and Fine coins.
For the King, an UNC should have full and very sharp beads and pearls with no rubbing, for EF the second set of pearls should be clear and separate. For VF central diamond must be distinguishable from the two bands of the crown. For Fine, the full crown band must be visible (But not sharp).
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The other problem I find with Aussie silver, mostly shilling and florin is you can have full lustre on VF pieces! and here in NZ I find cleaning is a common issue, many naive collectors get fooled by cleaned VG and Fine coins.
Full lustre is often artificial thou.,Dealers know what they can and can't get thru. PCGS/NGC. A Oz Shilling or Florin that has spent a 100 years in a draw is almost always toned,nothing like what gets slabbed as genuine lustre these days. Just my opinion. |
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It is possible to have full luster in the fields of less than uncirculated Australian silver, but in this case, there won't be any on the high points, where wear may have occurred.
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Edited by Basil
03/09/2021 05:11 am
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