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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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@ coppercoins I coppied your posts to my word folders I like them Obviously me being Belgian introduced several misunderstandings To me a silver bullion coin never is issued in proof only business strike otherwise it is a collector coin A bullion coin is an ounce of silver being sold like for 15-17 Euro because people like the design or 10 euro for rounds like from the Nortwerstern mint ( we have to pay 7% tax on coins and 17 %tax on bars on top of all the postage and insurance ) If you try to sell them back to a bank or a dealer you may get 7 euro and they may have to be blastwhite depending on the clients of that person Second I acquired a gold proof with certificate and all on which the frevious owner sneezed ( very well detectable under magnification ) Acetone in winter is a problem ( 12 x magnification revealed blue hazing ) Waterrinsing is a problem ( 12 X magnification shows dozens of calcium spots I thought ) So I put the coin in vinegar and the spots are still there so they may be magnesium spots My point is that over here the water is so hard that any method not involving distilled water is going to show on gold proofs so I guess the silver color hides the white calcium or magnesium or you got soft water  PS my friend dips all his gold coins and they are proudly slabbed MS 65 to MS 68 by one of the top three slabbers |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Originally posted by Mike
I find it quite sad that people are giving this kind of advice to a novice.:-(
And I find it quite sad that anyone would tell a novice to leave environmental damage on a coin to watch it rot, NO MATTER WHAT - because it's ALWAYS damaging to a coin to wash off the grime. I already said: 1. Not all coins are candidates. In fact, fewer are than aren't. 2. It's wrong to do it just to make coins pretty. 3. Novices should practice on pocket change first. 4. Anyone doing this should observe personal safety. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Coppercoins, please don't quote one sentence of my post to make your point. It could be taken out of context without someone reading the rest of my post. Mike  Edited by Mike
02/06/2006 9:39 pm
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Moderator
 United States
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You know, I just canned a passionate and well-thought-out reply for much the same reasons as I would refuse to argue with a bigot. It's a disappointing feeling, to say the least.
I'll just say that I stand in Mr. Daughtrey's corner here.
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Forum Mom
United States
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I think it is safe to say that experienced collectors all have very strong feelings regarding cleaning coins. These views range from the "never clean your coins" view to those that polish every coin they get. Personally, I feel that some coins require cleaning to prevent further damage. This seems to be a view that many share. There is not always agreement in what is considered criteria that require cleaning and the methods are very rarely agreed upon. Many different opinions have been expressed in this thread. I am glad to see that since that is the purpose of this forum. I hesitate to recommend any type of cleaning method to a new collector as the chances of ruining the coin are very great. It takes a lot of trial and error to get it right. I also think that it's important that the dealers who do clean their coins (regardless of the method used) disclose this information when they sell the coins. As a dealer, I have cleaned a few coins that needed it. However, I have always made that clear when I sold the coin. As cleaning can affect the appearance of the coin months or even years after the actual cleaning has been done, I feel that this disclosure is necessary. Personally, the damage has to be pretty severe for me to clean a coin. That is my personal preference. I think that all opinions stated here should be considered. What works for some may not work for others. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hey Zoom x 2, I'll bet by now you have gotten the idea that most of the people on this forum don't particularly feel like cleaning your coin would be in your best interest. In most cases that would be a correct asumption, and advice to fallow.
But, in the end the coin in yours to do with as you see fit. The decision will be yours to make, and IF in future years you find you should have done one or the other, then you will know which way it should have been. The coin is yours, you get to be the one to make the decision. I only hope it is the right one.
Good luck!
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Valued Member
United States
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many dealers clean coins . chances are your coins have been cleaned also.PCGS cleans them and, certifies them!! P.S. regardless I answered the question. No need to slap me on the wrist for being honest.
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02/07/2006 8:59 pm
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Forum Dad
United States
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PCGS cleans them and, certifies them!!
Haven't seen that yet. quote:
I answered the question. No need to slap me on the wrist for being honest.
No slap on the wrist intended. I was dead serious. I wouldn't buy from such dealers. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Hi Vic, First off I agree with you that most old silver coins have been cleaned and thanks for contributing to a very stimulating thread! I think the thread on C/U is disturbing if PCGS is not disclosing the practice(I guess it is not something you can request?). As a concerned member of PCGS and C/U, I sent the following E-mail to PCGS..... To whom it may concern, I have a question about a claim made in reference to PCGS dipping coins and then slabbing them. First of all my question is based on a thread on the Collectors Universe Forum and I realize it is not a statement of PCGS policy. I would however like to know your position on the methods being described in this thread. I did not know you were offering "select" coin conservation. Please clarify this. I have attached the thread in question below. Thanks, RMKardes PCGS member #793633 http:// (046) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed &threadid=474561 I will post their reply...... |
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Forum Dad
United States
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Faaaar from proof Vic. This is just a poster saying its so. I mean we had a few on here say a rock tumbler was the best way to clean coins.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
756 Posts |
I am going to try my luck on dipping/cleaning one or two of my raw coins. They are my coins. They will not be sold to anyone.
I do understand as collector, that this cleaning should be diclosed.
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Valued Member
United States
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I cant wait to here what pcgs has to say about this.
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Rest in Peace
United States
2884 Posts |
Hi Folks, this is the response from PCGS. Just an FYI to let you know they have responded. Mike From: "Shane Silva" <SSilva@collectors.com> Subject: RE: PCGS "Dipping Coins" on Collector's Universe Forum Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:33:05 PM I have asked the appropriate person about this. Please give us a little time so I can get back to you once I have heard something. Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:13 PM To: Customer Support Subject: FW: PCGS "Dipping Coins" on Collector's Universe Forum Hi ! I was wondering if someone can respond to this inquiry? I know you folks are busy but this topic is taking on a life of it's own! Thanks for your consideration in answering this mail. RMKardes -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- To: info@pcgs.com,<info@pcgs.com> Subject: PCGS "Dipping Coins" on Collector's Universe Forum Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 05:09:31 +0000 To whom it may concern, I have a question about a claim made in reference to PCGS dipping coins and then slabbing them. First of all my question is based on a thread on the Collectors Universe Forum and I realize it is not a statement of PCGS policy. I would however like to know your position on the methods being described in this thread. I did not know you were offering "secret" coin conservation. Please clarify this. I have attached the thread in question below. Thanks, RMKardes PCGS member #793633 http:// (046) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed &threadid=474561 |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
756 Posts |
quote:
Originally posted by Mike
Hi Folks, this is the response from PCGS. Just an FYI to let you know they have responded. Mike
From: "Shane Silva" <SSilva@collectors.com>
Subject: RE: PCGS "Dipping Coins" on Collector's Universe Forum
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:33:05 PM
I have asked the appropriate person about this. Please give us a little time so I can get back to you once I have heard something.
Hmm, they didn't say "no"....they didn't say "yes", but they didn't say "no". |
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