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Thanks, Brand. I'm going to have to work on getting used to it. :)
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Unless people are being obtuse, they generally say DDO, DDR, or another descriptive term right in the text. |
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A new numbering system was introduced in the second volume of Cherrypicker's Guide republished in 2006, and a translation chart for volume one is included in appendix. So that should still be in the latest release of Volume 2 if you want to double check your copy. My main issue originally was the slightly different numbering on the different online sites. Sometimes you might watch a video or see a reference to a coin with a particular sites # or the FS number etc. Either you can use the strike it rich book which usually shows the number for each site for the ones it covers which is yet another reason its helpful to those new or can also try wexler's https://doubleddie.com/ which lists Cross References: for many under the listing. This may be helpful mostly when you need further pics or sometimes a place like coppercoins might have values and can cross reference etc. I think the main things most miss initially are the actual rarity of a coin such as how many are found in that top grade worth the big bucks shown in a video vs other grades below it or how many of the variety with a value are known. Quote:
If I were to start a coin blog, that would be one of the first articles written. Part 1, how to actually navigate the reference sites. Part 2, the most common interesting and valuable coins on the reference sites, each explained in one crystal clear sentence. Part 3, how to check the cool coin you just found using multiple reference sites, and how to document your findings to be evaluated on CCF or some other forum. You can certainly do that also here on the forums if you wish which would be helpful. |
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As a critique I have to say that they need to do a better job of this. Their FS designations pop up everywhere, but if they decide not to publish it, it doesn't get designated. As a repository of varieties they come up short. I know it's a big job, but they don't have a website like VarietyVista or Wexler, so they receive submissions that are clearly legitimate varieties and then it goes into a black hole because it wasn't deemed worthy of publication. I don't know how to define their responsibilities but it's as if someone like Crosby, Noe or Salmon publishes a new edition on New England coinage and goes "nah, I'm not going to include that one." To me the prestige of having these FS designations being so widely promoted involves a responsibility of completeness.
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"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Thanks @westcoin, looks like its selling well. No worries to those who didnt order already. It says: is nearing a sellout. (and available to buy on whitman if not elsewhere you buy books). Whitman Publishing will order a second print run to keep up with collector demand, with no interruption in availability. However with the cherrypickers books its better to get one when its around then wait as I found when I sold my Volume I, 5th edition after they had announced a reprint in book form of the Volume I, 6th edition that still has not come. So I've mostly been using the kindle for now until it does which is 5th edition.
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datadragon, can you even sell older editions? It seems that if they drop listings between editions, that you have to own the historical books as well if you want to look up older FS-### listings.
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datadragon, can you even sell older editions? It seems that if they drop listings between editions, that you have to own the historical books as well if you want to look up older FS-### listings. Hi Brandmeister, you always should check such as mega red books that are older have a special section devoted to a type of coin in each one that is different so keeping them despite not being new info on the pricing for the rest is one example, and if the new 3 volumes of cherrypickers books miss some info you want or will need to still reference from an older edition then keeping the older version is a good idea but of course if its print you could sell if you wanted. In my personal case I happen to have it also in digital and my housing situation isn't settled beyond short term, so both for space and not necessarily needing a duplicate print for that one I let it go but would have been nice to keep as I prefer print when possible. I also note which books might be costly to replace later if required and try to put those lower on letting go as far as potentially temporarily downsizing for space reasons right now. |
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you have to own the historical books as well if you want to look up older FS-### listings I don't have the new one, but my understanding is that there would be a list in the back of the removed listings. So you could look them up but it won't tell you much. Perhaps someone with the new one can tell us what's in the back. |
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datadragon, I sold my 5th edition set too! Made a killing when the pair climbed over $240 on ebay. I couldn't justify keeping them at those prices. I think I paid maybe $60 for both copies? Also sold my 4th edition book. I made almost $300 clear after fees. But still don't have the newer books. I do have 3rd edition copy signed to me by both Bill and JT on my birthday as a keepsake. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Quote:datadragon, I sold my 5th edition set too! Made a killing when the pair climbed over $240 on ebay. I couldn't justify keeping them at those prices. I think I paid maybe $60 for both copies? Also sold my 4th edition book. I made almost $300 clear after fees. But still don't have the newer books. I do have 3rd edition copy signed to me by both Bill and JT on my birthday as a keepsake. Thats good, Westcoin, sounds like you made the best of the situation and yes I would keep a signed copy like that as well unless someone was getting out completely for some reason. I had timed my sale actually when they mentioned a reprint of Volume I sixth edition after release of Volume II 6th in 2022, and posted in this thread earlier. I figured I'd just use the digital a few months until I had a newer hard copy in hand. http://goccf.com/t/376384&whichpage=3#3762865 but for some reason Vol II was delayed until now. I havent asked yet so I'm not sure what the plans are still for a reprint of Vol I 6th that I would buy. They do intend to release a Vol III so I imagine they will want to reprint Vol I 6th so to keep the 3 as current books as its too high cost now from being out of print at the moment and the digital I have at the moment for Vol I is only 5th edition which is also strange. So again probably best to pick up books on coins when they are available generally as even my making the grade 3rd edition by CoinWorld is no longer cheap which is sad because its a good book for people to learn about grading. David Edited by datadragon
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I'm not clear on what "removed listings" means as it seems to imply some previous FS error identifiers have been removed in later editions of the book?
I would not expect a previously identified error to just no longer be cited, unless an obsolete numbering format problem caught them, maybe? Heh I bet FS didn't anticipate their huge success or the numbers of 'cherrypickers' their book would spawn.
(also this might have been clearer if I knew how to quote reply to a post... still learning)
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All I know is from what others told me in this thread http://goccf.com/t/451270 which says the removed listings will remain in the cross reference table in an appendix. There's too much to publish so it seems like they faced a choice between being a true reference guide for all the FS-numbered varieties in every series, and being more of a "get rich from pocket change" type publication. They picked the latter, and inclusion is based on "popularity." TPGs do the same as far as which varieties they will designate. Of course this will make it difficult to ID your coins if you don't have the older editions. To quote something, you put "quote" and "/quote" inside [] brackets with the text in between. Then it shows up Quote:
like this Or go to full reply, paste in your quoted text, highlight it, and click the "insert quote" icon in the format section of buttons. It's rather awkward. |
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They picked the latter, and inclusion is based on "popularity." Ughh. I can see the popularity though, imagine actually having a chance to find some value cherrypicking modern change. |
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You're almost there with the quote thing. You need left [ and right ] brackets instead of ".
Popularity is a chicken and egg thing with CPG. If they publish it, immediately people start looking for it, and then it's popular. If it's popular already, they better publish it or their customers will think their book isn't relevant. The 1942/1 dime in the latter case for example - did they really need to assign it an FS number? That variety was well known long before CPG existed. And with this latest edition, if they published it, and people aren't all that interested, remove it. From a scholarly perspective, it's an odd paradigm.
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