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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I wonder if the headgear is just off-flan, like her feet. I, too have looked hard for differences that are not just due to a differemnt state of wear, and do not see much ... maybe her garments between knee and feet are slightly different? Also, nobody has mentioned those rough areas below the satyr's left thigh, and around the beard. The reference photos are very clean in those areas. I know nothing about ancients, so maybe nothing to worry about  Edited by tdziemia
08/20/2020 09:21 am
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United States
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Don't know much about ancient Greek coinage, but from cleaning many authentic silver, the deposits look convincing (at least in the photos). Quote:
.. what do you think? Match perhaps? At first glance, I would say no, but the more I look ... It may well be a match  |
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Germany
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Well, some details do differ. But the overall angles, proportions and spacing of both figures in both coins match, at least to my eyes, almost perfectly. To me... both dies are definitely related somehow, even if the coins are authentic or not. If both coins are genuine, they might well have been minted with the same die, although re-engraved/retooled. Quote:
I Must have it in hands to have a better opinion  I don´t know its location, seller, price, or anything, so take my words with a grain of salt, but it may be worth it. At a first glance, the coin looks nice to me. Edited by DirtyHarry
08/20/2020 11:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The difference in the head of the nymph on the two coins above could easily be the result of touching up a defective mold. In recent months I have noticed a number (too many!) of these on ebay, both early and late types. Caveat emptor! Edited by Kushanshah
08/21/2020 04:07 am
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Valued Member
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Thank you for all your comments. I will buy it and then ask for more expertise. There is an insurance on ebay anyway, so I don't take a big risk... I 'll keep you updated! |
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United States
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There are too many points of similarity for it not to be a match That alone raises some alarums ! Personally ...... Even if I had the spare change I wouldn't touch this one Unless it is being offered by one of a mere handful of major sellers who use ebay for a clearinghouse People whose name ends in z or others like that You are taking a very big gamble Genuine coins like this are out of place on ebay Sort of a child's game Which of these does not belong ? If you want to buy the Maserati you should go to the Maserati Dealer Not to "Tony's" Discount Used Auto |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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FVRIVS - you speak wisdom.  |
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France
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I know that I am taking a risk but this is what insurances are for... I must say that I am curious. If really they are at this level with fakes, it is extraordinary. And we can all be worried as collectors. Let's see what happens next!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If really they are at this level with fakes, it is extraordinary. Well, of course they are. And it is nothing new. Would you think this one is ancient?:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Using the coin in the post by @DirtyHarry as the top semi-transparent layer, the result is undeniable.  In the offset image the two coins are obviously not matched up, but moving the top layer to the set position they are a perfect match. |
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United States
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Novicius- I'm taking notes on your fine detective work. Nicely done!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nicely done, Jim. I have not doubted they are from the same die. But the real issue, I believe, is whether the die is ancient or, as in the case of the one I posted (an electrotype) more modern. I agree that FV speaks wisdom.
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Valued Member
France
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Pehaps, but if « wisdom « means the refusal to take any risk, wisdom is not very wise. What about intellectual curiosity, passion and learning ? And insurances ? »
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I'm taking notes on your fine detective work. Nicely done! Thanks, but as Bob says, it doesn't help with whether the dies are ancient or not. Quote:
I agree that FV speaks wisdom. Yes indeed Bob, there is no argument there. It looks like you have to go with your gut feeling with this one @ancient67. |
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Germany
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Well the thing about running risks is that it may turn out well on some particular occasion, but it will turn out badly on the long run  Jokes aside, please always keep in mind that there are some really high quality struck counterfeit coins out there. Many of them are amazing, and I am afraid many of them I will never be able to recognize as such. Here seller reputation and experience on ancient coins has vital importance. As I said, I have no idea who the seller is so I refuse to judge in that respect, but Rufus words are indeed wise. And he speaks from his extensive experience on the subject. Please I don´t pretend to give you advice or anything, but consider contacting the seller, maybe asking for background, coin provenance, maybe arranging the possibility of receiving more information about the item, looking at it personally if possible, etc. As I said, I wish you the best with this transaction. We are talking about an important coin and every precaution you may take is welcome. (Even if that means letting this one pass and saving the money for another one) Best. Edited by DirtyHarry
08/21/2020 1:47 pm
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