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1983 DDR-002 2-R-V-CCw FS-802

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 Posted 08/24/2020  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
Great looking cent...
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 Posted 08/24/2020  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list
Fantastic find. Much less talked about than the DDR-001, but an extremely strong doubled die in its own right!
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08/24/2020 2:38 pm
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 Posted 08/24/2020  2:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list
Very nice find! A very nice spread on this one. Very strong.

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 Posted 08/24/2020  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list
It's got a very nice color to it I would say NO on the bath. Try some hot water and a LIGHT scrub with a Q-tip. I think Acetone would mess with the color to much If you soaked it. Perhaps try a LIL Acetone on a Q-Tip and LIGHTLY brush the spots BUT it's your coin Do as you wish Good luck. OR just let it be what it is...
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08/24/2020 4:13 pm
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 Posted 08/24/2020  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Looks like the Stage 'C' of 1983 DDR-002. Seeing your images showed me a new marker for that die stage. Note the left base? Can you see the strong die scratch thought that area?
http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...3PDDR002.htm
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Look for that for that die stage.
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 Posted 08/24/2020  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Extremely nice find, congrats.
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 Posted 08/24/2020  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
That's a beauty. These are fairly strong DDRs that are a real bugger to spot. Kudos.
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 Posted 08/24/2020  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list
Thanks everyone for the great feedback! This one really is a beauty! Thanks everyone!

PS: Coop, will this picture of the left corner help?
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very true Tropicalbats, this one is not easy to spot but once you see it , it's quite strong DDR
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08/24/2020 8:32 pm
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 Posted 08/24/2020  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list
Congrats on a great find.

If you get a minute, could I please see a couple pictures of the doubling, compared to a normal reverse of 1983?

I've been trying to understand exactly how much thicker it looks, but I don't have a doubled coin to match anything to.

I might have seen one that looks like the ONE, from a different year, but I keep thinking my coins are MD (which they probably are) since they're worn and I'm still learning.
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08/25/2020 12:27 am
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 Posted 08/24/2020  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephm99 to your friends list
Grelko even though this one is much weaker than DDR-001, it will jump out at you still under a loupe.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list
Grelko, learning will take time and trust me I'm still learning here also. The key is when you think you have found a variety go to the reference sites in my signature and see if you can match the die markers. MD will have a much more shelf like doubling and reduce the thickness of the devices, while a true DDO or DDR the devices will be enhanced and show split serifs. Check out the arrows below where the serif is split and then from wexler's site it says:

"Die Markers: Obverse: Die scratches SSW to NNE above TY of LIBERTY. Die scratches NW to SE between WE and TRUST. Reverse: Reverse heavily abraded. Two parallel die scratches NNW from between upper C and E of CENT. Remnants of die clash in 3rd bay. Die cracks lower left and lower right Memorial to rim."

So just from one view we can confirm by the split serifs and the die markers.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list
I've been going to quite a few different sites to check varieties lately. There's so much to learn haha.

The main question I have about doubling. (Let's take the letter U in that picture for example)

Does the doubled part of the U stick out just as far, off the coin, as the actual U does?

If that's a yes, then I probably haven't seen one yet.
If that's a no, that would be the reason I keep getting it mixed up with MD and also the reason I keep going through the same pile of coins multiple times, to check for die markers.


I'm sure it will be much easier to distinguish between the two, once I actually find a doubled die.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list
Let me just tell you this, when you see your first one you WILL know. It's all about reading and researching to build a mental database. Check out the link below and I have pulled a picture from the definition of Machine Doubling from error-ref.com

http://www.error-ref.com/?s=Machine+doubling

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Notice how the Machine Doubling is like steps while the DDR is rounded like the device itself.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Grelko to your friends list
That picture answered my question perfectly, thank you so much.

I'm checking out that link now.

Even though I will probably get the next few wrong because of circulation wear, I will have a much easier time distinguishing between actual doubling and MD.
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 Posted 08/25/2020  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list
Great glad to hear it! We are all here to help and learn
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