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tried searching all iterations of "large A N" I spent some time looking this afternoon but have found nothing.  "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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The coin reminds me of a Roman Republic bronze, it could be a Janus type with the left facing bust tooled away. The bust does appear to be tooled especially at the back of the head forming a cap. The reverse image looks like it might be a galley.
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echizento;
Assuming someone did tool a cap, what type of cap were they trying to make? Middle ages perhaps? The artist doing the tooling might have had an imagine in mind common to them and their experience I suppose.
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Hi! First of all let me say thank you to all of you for sharing your knowledge and time :)
Going back to the coin... I also tried hard to pin this one down, but I don't know exactly where to begin searching.
The coin certainly looks odd... but it also does "look" ancient, although I wouldn't venture to say it is genuine or not.
Hispania feels like a great guess, but sadly I have minimal information about their coinage.
Begginer's question: Besides Greek and Latin... which other alphabets may contain the letters "A" and "N"?
Is it possible to see this in ancient Iberian coinage? I have no idea!
Edited by DirtyHarry
08/27/2020 10:18 pm
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My first thought is similar to Ron's. At this scale, I wonder if someone had the remains of a worn down, large Republican AE (Aes Grave Semis?) and simply went to town on it, creating mostly new imagery from what remained. (Like turning a prow into Noah's ark?!) Maybe there's an actual match out there, but I'm pretty sure I've never seen anything like it.
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it could be a Janus type with the left facing bust tooled away Great guess also. That's the fear I have... that it may have been tooled a lot, making the id more difficult :( Edited by DirtyHarry
08/27/2020 10:20 pm
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Yeah but Bob, why the giant "A N"? That denotes a group and if this is intentionally created, is that supposed to be a boat? So what is the style of dress with that cap and what group is by the water who might have had access to an old worn Republic? That leads us to middle ages Italy perhaps? I believe we can do more for the item to help the owner understand it. So the stippling might be intentional to create a false background over an old image as well?  Edited by louisvillekyshop
08/27/2020 9:51 pm
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Notice also that the "boat" you can see inside. 3-D imagery is not that common in old coin galleys in my opinion.
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Notice also that the "boat" you can see inside. I dunno, Joe. My gut tells me the "inside" is a remnant of the worn, original image. I suppose the ellipse of the "boat" could be a bow, sort of like in this much smaller Pantikapaion issue: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7166167https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3318106[I'm not suggesting in any way that the OP coin is an issue of Pantikapaion although, coincidentally, they did often abbreviate ΠΑΝΤΙΚΑΠΑΙΤΩΝ as ΠΑΝ (but not "AN") on the reverses of their coinage] For now I still lean toward it being a creative reinvention of a worn, large, perhaps Roman AE. Maybe someone will chime in with an ID, though. Edited by Kamnaskires
08/28/2020 10:12 am
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Though I rarely disagree with the insightful Bob_L, I will suggest that the object in question is in fact a coin of Pantikapaion that has been tooled into something (almost) completely new. Note the bulbous nose, beard, [Π]AN, and "boat" with lines similar to a bow or bowcase.
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08/28/2020 2:42 pm
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I had been getting a viking vibe from that helmet, which of course doesn't fit, perhaps the reverse was once the bow arrow and club from Etruria, they have some coins with "A N" in the legend, or the "artist" was in deed trying to make a "viking" coin and didn't realize their a and N are two different mints.
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Been looking through Crawford to see if any Roman AS used AN above the Galley, haven't found any so that would exclude that.
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so that would exclude that. Unless the AN is a post-minting creation too. But, when in doubt, the smart bet is always with Kushanshah. |
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Well if it is a helmet, and not just a cap, they might have been trying to depict this one? Sallet (1471-1499) Open face sallet with applied gilt copper-alloy border. Attributed to Domenico dei Barini detto Negroli Place: Italy, Milan  From: https://collections.royalarmouries....ect-487.html |
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