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2017-P LMC Obv-- Tear Drop Below Eye And Double Ear Lobe!

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 Posted 08/30/2020  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list
Jim0815, maybe a need a better digital camera. I am using a Plugable USB 2.0 Digital. Any suggestions?
But, even with these pics, there is clearly a tear like image below the eye, and a double earlobe.
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 Posted 08/30/2020  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Willburton to your friends list
I think it's your lighting. From the picture of the whole coin it looks normal. If you put a tissue or filter over the light source then you will see less of what you are seeing.
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 Posted 08/30/2020  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Is that a hair on the cheek on image #5?
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 Posted 08/30/2020  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list
Rich---Must be a thread from the cotton gloves I wear when handling coins. Sorry about that. Aside from the thread, what is your opinion about this penny?
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 Posted 08/30/2020  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
Opinion? A normal 2017 P Lincoln Shield cent.
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 Posted 08/30/2020  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list
I am a new member, and I am stunned about the reaction to this posting. Can I get some opinions from anyone else besides Jim0815--who either has failing eyesight or just does not want to help figure out what is the cause of the glaring errors in this coin. There is obviously a second earlobe--that's not what you see on the usual Lincoln Penny. And there is obviously some phenomena that has resulted in the tear image--that's also not what you see on the usual Lincoln Penny. What say the rest of you folks?
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 Posted 08/30/2020  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list
If it was a DDO and with that much rotation I would assume to see some doubling also on the devices (date or liberty). Have you tried reducing your light with a coffee filter or sheet of paper? Third photo with ear...sorry I'm
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 Posted 08/30/2020  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list
Your pictures really don't allow anyone to make a thorough guess about what's on the coin. I see both the "tear" and the earlobe issue, at least on some of the pictures, but on others I don't. For instance, the earlobe issue is visible on picture 3, but not on picture 4. Why?

That inconsistency raises questions about the possibility it's a just lighting effect, or that it's something else amplified by the lighting, rather than doubling.

I have the same scope/camera set up that you're using. Have you changed the settings to max resolution? Are you using a stand to hold the scope perfectly still? Played with the light adjustments? I know that scope can produce better pictures.

Even if someone wanted to agree with you about the earlobe being doubled, it's unlikely they would do so on the basis of two rather grainy, slightly out of focus and poorly lit photos.

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 Posted 08/30/2020  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list
i agree, more diffused light might help.

I guess my eyesight has deteriorated as well, I'm not seeing any special issues with your coin. Keep searching!


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 Posted 08/31/2020  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list
Thanks Greasy Fingers, HGK3 and merclover. I appreciate the constructive criticism/suggestions about the photos (i just got the digital scope a week ago and am still learning how to use it properly). On pic 3 I tried to focus only on the earlobe, while on 4 and 5 I was only trying to focus only on the tear, so that's the explanation for that question.
I just re-examined the coin and realized that there is doubling on the nose also. I will attempt to make the resolution modification and use different lighting for additional photos and will post them tomorrow.
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 Posted 08/31/2020  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daves Errors to your friends list
mb560600To CCF: I am seeing a Doubled Ear Lobe and the Eye looks like Machine Doubling. You need to get much sharper/clear photos. Don't worry about the eye focus on the ear.
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08/31/2020 01:17 am
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 Posted 08/31/2020  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
The only glaring errors on this cent is the glare from your camera. I am pulling for you to have what you say you have. Your pics are not proof of that. There is but one solution to this, send it off for attribution to either John Wexler or James Wiles. After you get your cent back then post the results. Remember, I truly am pulling for you.
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 Posted 08/31/2020  06:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list
I took the liberty of editing three of your photos that show the ear area. The first pic shows lighting trickery that makes is appear to be doubled.
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This photo of your cent shows an absolutely normal ear.
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This picture of your cent if it were doubled would clearly show the doubling distortion if it were truly doubled.
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08/31/2020 06:31 am
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Here's what I tell people , if you have a coin dealer , or a coin club ,or coin show near you take it in hand and show them. if you have something they will tell you or try to buy it good luck,and happy hunting
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 Posted 08/31/2020  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mb560600 to your friends list
I took the advice offered by HGK3 and increased the resolution on my digital microscope, and also attempted to filter the light on additional photos of the areas in question on this coin. These photos show similar doubling images on the earlobe, and the unusual tear images below the eye I had posted earlier. The interesting aspect of the earlobe image is that it appears to be the continuation of a portion of hair from within Lincoln's head which continues all of the way down behind the ear, and then ends behind the earlobe with what looks like a second earlobe. It's less noticeable on the second photo, but you can still see the ridge of the doubling behind the ear.And this portion of hair is noticeable again on the third photo, which creates an image of an additional lobe,although not as distinct on this photo. And I will admit that I can see this earlobe image clearly on some photos, and not as much as on others. I have examined other LSC coins in my possession and some of them have similar "extra lobe" images, and some do not.
As far as the tear image is concerned, I have seen such on other LSC coins, but it seems more pronounced on this coin. So, it would appear that this tear type image in some form is not so unusual on the Shield cents.
If you have any further comments, I am all ears (no extra lobes, though).
Thanks all!!
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