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Quote: It seems like quality control is lacking these days. I agree—perhaps precipitated by the race to the bottom on price. 
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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 United States
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That could be. 2x2s seem to be far from expensive.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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meh, it's a 2x2, I got guardhouse and they aren't terrible, from a company on Amazon called Flizzards, the "fold" is decent when folded over, front and back windows line up pretty well.plastic feel good also. Truth be told, no supplier online wants to show you the "other" side of the 2x2 to try and determine, just the white side which all looks the same in the generic pictures. I think they all bait and switch and send whatever they happen to have gotten, there certainly wasn't any kind of fancy "guardhouse" packaging the bundles came in. loose shrink wrap with their own printed paper label inside. they were decent though, no complaints I can remember off hand. I picked up some others from Hobby Lobby in a pinch, fancy packaging bubble cardboard pegboard packaging, sold as "Entrust Coin Supplies" those were trash, hard to fold and wouldn't fold right, thick foggy plastic, looked a lot like your picture on the right as far as the brown side is concerned. what size is that, nickel? quarter? I want to verify the ones I bought, make sure my memory is 100% and get back to you. maybe with a picture to compare. I think they were around $7.00 for 100 pieces..., 50 pieces around $5.00, cheaper the more you buy at once. LOL like 500 pieces was just under $20 I think. but I tink they were decent and folded well and the plastic window didn't feel funky like a kitchen greased balloon. Also, doing a little research, I'm noticing Cowen, Whitman and Entrust, are all the same exact 2x2s in different packaging. some aren't even entirely cut along the fold line in the pictures which means they will likely fold crooked. Not bashing any of these companies just noticing the common link of the product they all seem to share the same manufacturing supply.
Edited by Big-Kingdom 09/15/2020 3:31 pm
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Quote: ...there certainly wasn't any kind of fancy "guardhouse" packaging the bundles came in... I have not received a "branded" package of 2x2s in many years now, probably the last time I went to my old LCS well over 15 years ago now. No matter what "brand" I have bought online or at the shows, they come in plain plastic bags. Quote: ...some aren't even entirely cut along the fold line in the pictures which means they will likely fold crooked. This is the biggest quality control issue I have experienced. I use a metal straight edge ruler and utility knife (with fresh blade) to improve the cut and therefore my chances for a successful fold.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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Quote: I went on coin wizard and bought the cheapest flips, thinking they were the same, and was really disappointed by the quality. I'm not trying to be mean or sarcastic, but at what point did "cheapest" become equated to better quality? I agree with others, it's always best to purchase items in person if there exists the potential for quality variance among options.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
Edited by commems 09/15/2020 4:25 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: the biggest quality control issue I have experienced. I use a metal straight edge ruler and utility knife (with fresh blade) to improve the cut and therefore my chances for a successful fold. For a couple of coins , sure but not if you have to holder 100 or so . I used to get mine at my local coin show . Don't know what brand they were ,but never had any problem with them . 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm back. These are the guardhouse ones I got from Amazon. Guardhouse holders sells them even cheaper on their own website directly by the same name like $3.50 per 100 piece packs or something like that. They sell them rubber banded in stacks though it appears. Place I bought them from was more expensive and like I said they shrink wrapped it and put in their own piece of paper for advertising. With Amazon I didn't have shipping or tax, with guardhouse it appears I would even if I bought a case of 5000. I played with the site, tax yes. As far as shipping if you buy 3 or more, 100 piece 2x2 packs it free FedEx ground shipping. In the 2nd picture the bottom doesn't exactly line up, one side is minutely longer than the other but the windows line up right. It's really my only complaint about these, that I want the longer side as the front to write on and have the little gap seam on the back side. It's a small peave.      I hope this helps. It seems yours is a brown cardboard on the interior, these guardhouse ones are white on both sides but otherwise very similar. I'd recommend these, I'd definitely buy them again as the best I've tried.
Edited by Big-Kingdom 09/15/2020 8:17 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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@Commems Where did I say cheap should be associated with quality? I just assumed they were the same ones I had used before, which I knew were fine, and figured a 2x2 flip was a 2x2 flip, so what did it matter? I was very wrong, because many of them are punched so far off center that the coins look weird sitting in them, the large dollar flips are so poorly designed that they bow out so wide you can touch the enclosed coin inside the flip, and the materials began to fall apart almost immediately. So yeah, I didn't think "cheap = good," I assumed "anything = adequate," which it turns out is not true.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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@SamCoin: I was simply reacting to your statement in which you said you purchased "the cheapest flips" and were then surprised by their quality.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Rest in Peace
United States
18456 Posts |
You get what you pay for . Any questions ? 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3237 Posts |
@commems yes, why would I expect the cheapest flips to simply not be functional? Lower quality materials, sure, but most of the flips I got were so bad I can't even use them. If I buy the cheapest copy of a book on Amazon, I still expect to be able to read it.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I've always noticed none of the 2x2's have a manufacturers name on them. Over the years I've purchased mine at coin shows and only the ones I can see exactly what I'm getting. Yes, some are cheap, some really cheap and yet some great. And without a name on them you never know who made them.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I was getting mine from CA and were good 2x2's but the last order I got where thinner and some did not line up right, I called and they said they change manufacturers nothing they could do.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Do you know what brand the bad ones were so I can avoid them, mcshilling?
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 United States
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Quote: For a couple of coins , sure but not if you have to holder 100 or so . True. It seems I only do a few coins at a time. Most coins go into normal Dansco holes or are left in the OGP.
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