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Bedrock of the Community
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stop the condescending attitude I for one don't see Sam's comment as condescending. I agree with Sam's comments that there is Machine Doubling throughout the date on your coin, although more noticeable in the 72. I would research more to see the difference between Machine Doubling and double dies. There are many articles here on CCF to help. Double dies are fairly rare, where Machine Doubling is quite common. |
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Valued Member
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Merclover---Well, SamCoin missed the fact that I had already checked Wexler and Variety Vista, which indeed I had. So, leave it at that. Can you provide an example of MD that is similar to what is alleged to be occurring in this coin? I have been looking for one in the "authorities" and have not seen one. If it's not MD, what are the other possibilities?
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New Member
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umm.. I'm just saying..  Don't mind me I'm just observing. |
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Valued Member
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I looked at a post by Coop addressing MD--See below. But none of the images in Coop's post show coins with images of the devices like that seen on my coin where you have one number with a large ridging/doubling, but none of the other adjacent numbers with similar ridging/doubling. So, can anyone help with further information, or other possibilities? http://goccf.com/t/320844 |
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Valued Member
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Crickets....
Is it clear MD, or are there other possibilities?
C'mon Community. Look forward to your input.
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Forum Dad
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Forum Dad
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Crickets....
Is it clear MD, or are there other possibilities?
C'mon Community. Look forward to your input. You mention someone being condescending earlier.... I can tell you for sure that your attitude will get you nowhere fast here. |
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Valued Member
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Bobby131313 and all CC folks, my apologies if my posts ruffled any feathers. I of course consulted Wexler and VV before my initial post, and I was criticized for not doing so--so that is what generated my ire. I was only reacting to that response which I felt was not warranted or helpful. Again, my apologies. I've looked at the MD information on CC and have seen no similar images that provide help or confirmation it is MD we see on this coin. There have been several 1972 LMC DDOs discovered reported by Wexler which affect only the 2 (see WDDO-004 and WDDO-009) and both the 7 and the 2 (see WDDO-005). That's what prompted me to raise the possibility it might be a DDO. Thanks for your help. |
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Valued Member
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Also, see WDDO-013. DDO was confirmed involving only the 7 and 2 and the devices look reduced. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Not trying to "condescend" to you again, but you can't just compare a coin to arbitrary parts of a doubled die listed on Wexler's. You have to read the description and look at where he says the doubling is and match it to your coin. The coin you mention, WDDO-013, shows Machine Doubling on the date, but if you read the description and look at the arrows, you'll see Wexler is not talking about the MD, but only the tail of the two, which he draws a big arrow to in the first picture. Your coin doesn't have this. |
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Pillar of the Community
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I can tell you for sure that your attitude will get you nowhere fast here.  |
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Pillar of the Community
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My vote says Machine Doubling. Devices are reduced in size. If it was a doubled die, the devices you refer to wouldn't be as small as they appear. Hope this helps. |
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Thanks Samcoin and Quarterhoarder72. I wasn't contending that this was an established DDO by Wexler or Variety Vista. I knew that. I was just speculating that this might be a new one, considering that numerous new varieties have been discovered....particularly involving the 7 and the 2. |
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New Member
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It's obvious that you are not really willing to accept anything other than what you want it to be so just tell yourself that it is a new variety and put it up in your collection and be proud of it I guess.
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Valued Member
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Actually ANG5212, I was open to any information about this coin that would confirm what caused it to appear doubled--specifically the 7 on the date. MD did not seem like the right answer. There was no consistency in doubled images which is normally what appears when there is MD. I looked at the information and photos provided on CC about MD and it did not add up with respect to this coin. So, I kept waiting for other possible causes to be offered. No one mentioned PMD as a possible cause. And after looking at the coin again, I believe the anomaly is the result of PMD--a significant ding that caused the shelf of the 7 to shift downward. I admit I was wrong in speculating that it could be a new DDO. If someone had mentioned PMD in a response earlier I would have come to that realization without belaboring the issue. I am a new member and I do appreciate the information that members of the Community are willing to provide. It continues to be educational, and I am grateful to all who have responded with positive comments and insight. Thanks. Hope everyone has a great weekend! |
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