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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Thanks for the info vonigohcr. I don't think John Q. Public will get any punishment if they have 1 or 2 kicking around in their change.
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In memory of those members who left us too soon... In memory of Tootallious March 31, 1964 - April 15, 2020 In memory of crazyb0 July 27 2020. RIP. In memory of T-BOP Oct. 12, 1949 - Jan. 19, 2024
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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no police officer would arrest an individual for one counterfeit common circulation coin.
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Valued Member
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@vonigohcr - Agreed with your example, but as for the fake brass pounds, the proportion of circulating counterfeits was much higher - although it depended where in the country you were. Living in London shortly before the changeover, I remember a pretty consistent 20-25% of my change consisted of fake pounds. People accepted and spent them knowingly - no one really cared. There is an interesting online study circle now dedicated to them. Funnily enough, I lived in Montreal for two decades, and don't ever remember coming across a fake note or circulating coin (I wanted to, as I would have set it aside).
@loonielewy - I dont think its inconceivable that foreign criminal syndicates are at work here, importing the product from paces where setup / operation costs are lower. If I remember correctly, right after the introduction of polymer notes in Canada, authorities intercepted a huge shipment of very high quality counterfeit notes from China.
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Valued Member
Canada
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I am curious as to what leads people to think that this coin is counterfeit? Looks like a regular loonie that someone took a sandblaster to. On the toonie, the bears paw and certain digits are obviously different, but I don't see anything out of the ordinary that would point to counterfeit on this coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The only sure-fire method to determine authenticity that I know of is to have the coin sent off for 3rd party grading and verification. Unless I had a bet on it I wouldn't waste money on it.
The coin just LOOKS BAD but remember we only are looking at pictures.
The granular surfaces, the lack of sharpness in the border beads and lettering screams "something ain't" right with this coin. Most likely, if you looked at enough other Loonies you would probably find similiar coins with the same problems.
Until the coin is subjected to further examination I still lean on the side of it being counterfeit based on what I see.
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Valued Member
Canada
402 Posts |
Perhaps this old article will show the rationale of counterfeiting...and remember a counterfeiter's cost for the raw material will be far less than the mint's where uniform quality and checking are a significant cost the mint faces
The Canada Gazette says the current coins cost about 30 cents each to produce, while Kim says he's been told the new loonies and toonies will cost between four cents and six cents a piece. Jan 13, 2012
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Valued Member
Canada
480 Posts |
he size and details of the border beads, the trees on the island, the jewels in the necklace, and the details in the security device do not look correct. The sandblast effect may come from casting- are the "sand" particles raised from the surface, or are they incuse? The counterfeit $2 show evidence of a black metal under the surface.
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Valued Member
Canada
480 Posts |
There is evidence of black (lead, zinc, or tin) on the reverse where the surface is disturbed, and black shading on both sides. The letters are a little irregular, and the rims do not look accurate.
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Valued Member
Canada
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Paisa, Do you live in the Toronto area? That is where the counterfeit $2 coins surfaced.
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Canada
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Pillar of the Community
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Looks like a well worn coin that's been exposed to some sort of harsh environment. Perhaps it was a fountain coin or buried for awhile. The weight is spot on, your genuine coin is actually heavy. There is no proof that this is a counterfeit, you'll need to have it XRF tested or certified by a TPG. Unlike the camel toe toonies which have a number of markers to distinguish them from the real thing your coin has nothing like that, only your feeling that it doesn't "look right". You need to do more investigation before you can declare it counterfeit. PS does it stick to a magnet?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
Edited by DBM 09/28/2023 11:47 am
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
2301 Posts |
I do not see the typical signs of Chinese work. As DBM states, I believe that this coin has been slightly corroded as all design elements look right but mushy so to speak. IMO this coin is real.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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Question for my Canadian friends: what happens if you put a camel toe toonie in a vending machine?
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Valued Member
Canada
499 Posts |
The camel toe toonies work in vending machines.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
25388 Posts |
Oh dear. Didn't realize they were that good of fakes.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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