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Now A Counterfeit Loonie With Security Feature

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 Posted 11/17/2020  6:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add loonielewy to your friends list
Thanks for the info vonigohcr. I don't think John Q. Public will get any punishment if they have 1 or 2 kicking around in their change.
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 Posted 11/17/2020  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
no police officer would arrest an individual for one counterfeit common circulation coin.
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 Posted 11/18/2020  02:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list
@vonigohcr - Agreed with your example, but as for the fake brass pounds, the proportion of circulating counterfeits was much higher - although it depended where in the country you were. Living in London shortly before the changeover, I remember a pretty consistent 20-25% of my change consisted of fake pounds. People accepted and spent them knowingly - no one really cared. There is an interesting online study circle now dedicated to them. Funnily enough, I lived in Montreal for two decades, and don't ever remember coming across a fake note or circulating coin (I wanted to, as I would have set it aside).

@loonielewy - I dont think its inconceivable that foreign criminal syndicates are at work here, importing the product from paces where setup / operation costs are lower. If I remember correctly, right after the introduction of polymer notes in Canada, authorities intercepted a huge shipment of very high quality counterfeit notes from China.
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 Posted 11/22/2020  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bond632 to your friends list
I am curious as to what leads people to think that this coin is counterfeit? Looks like a regular loonie that someone took a sandblaster to. On the toonie, the bears paw and certain digits are obviously different, but I don't see anything out of the ordinary that would point to counterfeit on this coin.
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 Posted 11/23/2020  01:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
The only sure-fire method to determine authenticity that I know of is to have the coin sent off for 3rd party grading and verification. Unless I had a bet on it I wouldn't waste money on it.

The coin just LOOKS BAD but remember we only are looking at pictures.

The granular surfaces, the lack of sharpness in the border beads and lettering screams "something ain't" right with this coin. Most likely, if you looked at enough other Loonies you would probably find similiar coins with the same problems.

Until the coin is subjected to further examination I still lean on the side of it being counterfeit based on what I see.
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 Posted 11/23/2020  02:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cdngmt to your friends list
Perhaps this old article will show the rationale of counterfeiting...and remember a counterfeiter's cost for the raw material will be far less than the mint's where uniform quality and checking are a significant cost the mint faces

The Canada Gazette says the current coins cost about 30 cents each to produce, while Kim says he's been told the new loonies and toonies will cost between four cents and six cents a piece. Jan 13, 2012
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 Posted 12/19/2020  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list
he size and details of the border beads, the trees on the island, the jewels in the necklace, and the details in the security device do not look correct. The sandblast effect may come from casting- are the "sand" particles raised from the surface, or are they incuse? The counterfeit $2 show evidence of a black metal under the surface.
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 Posted 12/19/2020  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list
There is evidence of black (lead, zinc, or tin) on the reverse where the surface is disturbed, and black shading on both sides. The letters are a little irregular, and the rims do not look accurate.
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 Posted 12/22/2020  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list
Paisa, Do you live in the Toronto area? That is where the counterfeit $2 coins surfaced.
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 Posted 09/28/2023  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Enyaw to your friends list
Found this 2012 Security Counterfeit loonie and searched CCF to find this posting. Thought I would add some photos and the weight of the one I found for anyone who maybe interested. I labeled it 12SC-CF
The left coin is counterfeit in all of the photos. The biggest tell is the lack of laser security etching on the maple leaf and the colour/texture of the coin. The counterfeit was 6.25g and the regular one I used was 6.33g.
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 Posted 09/28/2023  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
Looks like a well worn coin that's been exposed to some sort of harsh environment.
Perhaps it was a fountain coin or buried for awhile.
The weight is spot on, your genuine coin is actually heavy.
There is no proof that this is a counterfeit, you'll need to have it XRF tested or certified by a TPG.
Unlike the camel toe toonies which have a number of markers to distinguish them from the real thing your coin has nothing like that, only your feeling that it doesn't "look right".
You need to do more investigation before you can declare it counterfeit.

PS does it stick to a magnet?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 09/28/2023  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list
I do not see the typical signs of Chinese work. As DBM states, I believe that this coin has been slightly corroded as all design elements look right but mushy so to speak. IMO this coin is real.
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 Posted 09/28/2023  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list
Question for my Canadian friends: what happens if you put a camel toe toonie in a vending machine?
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 Posted 09/28/2023  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ShareBear to your friends list
The camel toe toonies work in vending machines.
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 Posted 09/28/2023  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list
Oh dear. Didn't realize they were that good of fakes.
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