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1909 S LWC For Grading

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 Posted 12/30/2020  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
It would only take one or two coincidental hits a long time ago. Die crack 9 to bust? Looks so genuine.
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 Posted 12/30/2020  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
MM looks damaged to me. I'd call it a genuine VF30.
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 Posted 12/30/2020  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list
Does look like the blocked serif S that was used in 1909, just flattened a bit from a hit. The only other question is the location of the S.
Not much detail left in Lincolns hair - I'll go VF25
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 Posted 12/30/2020  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree VF-25. Is that a die crack from 9 to bust?
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 Posted 12/30/2020  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lawest to your friends list
@Coinfrog - the line from the 9 to the bust is a scratch, I just took a closer look at it to make sure.
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 Posted 12/31/2020  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lawest to your friends list

I tried to get a few pictures of the date/MM to better show the scratch

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 Posted 12/31/2020  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Thanks. Guess it straight grades.
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 Posted 12/31/2020  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Onedollarbillnut to your friends list
Genuine I can see the dot in the upper curve of the S.
VF details scratched.
Could also be FS-1501 S/S.
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 Posted 12/31/2020  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
Follow up pics are better...VF20 obverse worn more than reverse...half of the ear is gone and the hair is flat. Plus the scratch.

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 Posted 01/01/2021  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Odd, the scratch appears to be under the MM or it's actually two scratches. The top part of the S has no scratch?

I think I do see the die chip in the upper part of the S, hard to tell. The MM is likely real but it scares me enough that I wouldn't be interested in this coin. Not many would go through the trouble to fake a VF 09-S, a lot of work for not much. LOL

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 Posted 01/01/2021  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
i cant match the MM location to any of the known dies. the MM is distorted so it might be throwing off the edges of it but I'm not liking it. what bothers me is when you blow it up there appears to be all kinds of metal around the MM that shouldnt be there.

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arrows point to the erroneous metal.


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 Posted 01/01/2021  11:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
It's genuine. It is 1909-S FS-1502 (S/Horizontal S), Stage B. That's the extra metal east of the primary mm. Wexler has the detailed stage B markers, and all are present here. Variety Vista has better photos, but no Stage B details.

IMHO, the scratch details this one because of the depth and location.
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 Posted 01/02/2021  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list

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FS-1502 (S/Horizontal S)


thanks FC. forgot about that. not much difference in price but an interesting variety. the scratches must be two separate ones as if they were one it would have transected the MM.
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 Posted 01/02/2021  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kulman47 to your friends list
I was messing around with this last night. This coin has a flip in the first 9 that all others don't. I found one coin on PCGS with the S in the right area but not nearly as fat, for lack of a more snooty answer :).

Also, the 0 heavy area at 2 o'clock bothers me. Only example I found heaviness is at bottom.

His:
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Match of S I found:

https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...tal-rb/92433

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 Posted 01/03/2021  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kopper Ken to your friends list
Nice coin...good discussion...I thought I picked up part of the scratch on the left side of the upper curve of the "S" mm?. Maybe it skipped over?

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