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I wonder about the weight of this coin. Every taler I've seen is a lot thicker than a trime. Unless the taler was rolled out to match the thickness of a proper trime planchet this coin has to be much heavier than a regular 3-cent silver. If the taler had been rolled the remaining letters would not be so boldly defined. PCGS should have stated the weight on the slab label.
Weird, impressive piece for sure.
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PCGS should have stated the weight on the slab label. I was thinking along the same lines. Without knowing the weight, it is merely speculation on my part, but I don't believe that PCGS has this one right. I have been spending too much time already trying to figure out this mystery. I don't have anything concrete, but I'll keep trying. A few points  that T in taler doesn't look like a T. Think how wide that T would be if only one side of the ceiling is as wide as the floor of the nearby L? Not many coins have the word WAR on them. Not as a whole word, nor as part of a word. But even still, think of the relative position of the WAR to the TALER. It is curved in a very unnatural position because it defies the natural curve of the coin. It should be relatively easy, using all of these clues to find the host, but I have been searching high and low and I can't find it. Edited by BigSilver
01/15/2021 09:59 am
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To me it almost looks like the other design is struck over the Three Cent Silver. While the star is quite weak, the design features of the other coin (?) are fairly sharp. Is this a possibility? Paul Bulgerin
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I am finding this a fascinating numismatic detective mystery. Since I'm taking a vacation day today, I took the time to page through my "Krause/Mishler Catalogue of World Coins", both the 1701-1800 and the 1801-1900 volumes. I looked through the sections on German States, Austrian and Hungarian coins. I could not find a single example where Thaler was spelled "TALER" instead of the usual "THALER". With the tiny size of a Three Cent Silver, the other coin/piece must have been a small one, and there were no minor German States coins with the "TALER" spelling. I'm wondering if the other piece might be a merchant's token which somehow accidentally, or through the intentional devices of a mint worker, was placed in the hopper and that was what resulted in this piece. Perhaps the WAR is part of the word "HARDWARE"? Lots of questions on this. Paul Bulgerin
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I have not been able to come up with a Thaler that would match that either
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I was thinking similar. I think (of course, the weight could disprove this) this is parts of a civil war token struck on a 3CS.
I think we are seeing EALE from dealer or something like that. And WAR can be from wares, hardware, or even war itself from war claim office tokens.
I also don't think this was a single coin struck on the 3CS, but test stamps of parts of another die.
Either way, after hours of searching, I've convinced myself that PCGS cannot be right here.
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Big Silver,
Yes! What PCGS took for TALER could well be DEALER.
Paul Bulgerin
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That does seem more plausible.  |
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Good sleuthing and likely more attention to this thread than @bobby was expecting!
I've spent a little time on tokencatalog this evening and note a couple things:
1. I'm not really seeing any silver tokens. Silver-colored (i.e. Aluminum), but not silver.
2. Most of the time the words "dealer" and "hardware", "tinware", "queensware", etc. are both on the same side of the coin.
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Curious if anyone has any more information on this? Very interesting thread and very curious to know what the host coin is.
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@paulbulgerin Not only that, but there seems to have been other lettering above the "aler" that was cut off in the pressing of that coin.
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Very interesting thread and very curious to know what the host coin is.  I'm not actually very confident that the letter after ALE is R either, but offhand I can't think of any plausible words that would fit any of the other possible options. I agree that the letter before ALE is probably F or E. For what it's worth, I checked everything on Numista that matched a search for ALE and WAR in the lettering (about 200 items, mostly tokens) and found nothing that could even remotely fit. The partial letter above L in ALE is very probably S (though other options are in principle possible). There seems to be another L under the oak leaf. |
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