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He's bought coins from me and they go from chocolate brown to colorfully toned.
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I am always suspicious of coins with what looks like to have very attractive toning.
Almost impossible to prove if the toning is natural or artificial.
So I just ignore attractive toning, when it come to value, despite the the fact that I do actually appreciate the toning.
Because of the equal plusses and minuses, attractive toning has a net zero effect on my decision to buy or not.
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Too bad he ruined a nice FE. Also likes to do that to Indian cents. |
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I've often wondered how much of his stuff straight grades. To me, it's a one-look AT. But I do wonder about this.
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A lot of this guys AT work gets straight graded by NGC. Below are three works of his that are for sale on his ebay site that were submitted in the same NGC batch.    Edited by Slider23
01/25/2021 3:49 pm
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How are any of these "RB" or "BN"?
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Slabbed coin certainly not RB or BN, imho.
The color presented is neither,
irrespective of if the toning is artificial or natural.
Still a desirable coin anyway.
Extra or less value? - probably slightly less for me, because I can't satisfy myself about the cause for the toning.
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01/26/2021 05:26 am
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@Slider23, thanks for posting his NGC examples. That's disturbing.
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Yep looks shockingly similar to some examples I did on IHC back in my early days of learning with a butane torch and some aluminum foil wrap. Has the heat treated look for sure. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I was thinking blow torch, too, Westcoin. Years ago I would sellers at coin shows trying to unload their "toned" coins for a high premium. Always a bit suspicious of toned coins since I really don't know enough about natural toning to make a fair comparison.
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I might still have the IHC I payed with, most were VF-EF grade low dollar coins that had been cleaned to a bright orange look already. I do remember getting some incredible rainbow colors on them using the butane torch, but also ruined a few with scorch marks and bubbling on the surface from the extreme heat. I of course never made these to defraud or sell, it was after an ANA summer seminar where Bob Campbell was first beginning to give his fantastic talk on the perils of AT on coins of the day. When I first heard this it was only a 30 minute "Bull Session" with a paper handout then a question and answer period that Bob did. The NNP has his talk in a video: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/560383I've posted it before and I wish there was a newer talk recorded with better quality video, but it's still very pertinent information, Bob started doing this talk back in 1994 or maybe even earlier. I know there is also a copy of his 1994 ANA Convention talk on NNP as well. Still a great video to watch for all collectors.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
02/01/2021 3:59 pm
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@westcoin thanks for posting the link to Bob's talk. I finally watched it this past weekend (saved it from the last time you posted it) and it is a must watch for anyone interested in coins.
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I watched Bob's talk too, and now I can say with certainty that the Capped Bust half dollar posted by Grape has natural toning. Edited by NumisEd
02/02/2021 09:25 am
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