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1943 LWC Steel - Need Identification Of Error Bumps

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 Posted 02/18/2021  05:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Well thank you Waynaoh83. I tend to respect all until they take that right away from themselves. Plus I didnt want to get kicked out of here for upsetting a "Pillar".
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 Posted 02/18/2021  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Kloccwork419, I say this calmly..... may I suggest that you just let this post go and stop replying to it. We obviously have heard your point. We just don`t agree. Plus calling someone a liar is a weakend position to take.

With that said, if you have ever sent a error coin to PCGS, you would know how much it costs. And because these have been cleaned, I wouldnt get a grade or worth.

Thats why this post is still going. Thats why there is over 1,000 views. Because others are interested. And I myself beleive that these are some form of legitimate errors based on others that I am communicating with that do not prescribe to this Community.

I beleive that there is enough photos posted, that even someone new to Coin Collecting can see, that these are not plated and us cleaning them couldnt possibly have created these bumps.

I would encourage anyone new jumping in to review previous posts so we are not rehashing details. Ty.

This is a puzzle or a welcomed challenge. And I have learned alot more about error coins since starting this endeavor.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  04:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Just a thought: maybe it is time for Mike to read and comment on this thread?
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 Posted 02/19/2021  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I've only read the first and last page of this thread. What you'd need to find is a steel cent with these raised imperfections which has not been monkeyed with (reprocessed or de-plated). In the absence of such specimens, I would have to assume that these imperfections are a form of post-strike damage.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Thanks Mike.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Thanks John1 for the push. I would have respected your`s or Coop`s opinion in the first place.

Take care all!
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 Posted 02/19/2021  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Error found on Reverse. Uncleaned, Average Circulated.

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 Posted 02/19/2021  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
I hope this doesn't make things more weird. As we went through a bunch more under 10x, I found another cent that sorta matches a cent that was found early on. Just shifted abit.

The shinier one is the first photo I posted and went through our cleaning process. The second one we just found was only cleaned with lemon juice and salt.

Allthough this error doesn't match specifically with the "bumps", could it have been the before or after result?

Thanks

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 Posted 02/19/2021  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Sorry one more.....these are the other error coins we pulled from this 1,000 batch. Machine Doubling on Date`s, mostly Die Crack`s, Phantom 4`s other extruded lines and bubbles.

I think the Auction House was right, I got "bottom of the barrel" or my seller does`nt screen Steels.

I appologize, but i`m not that happy as I do not collect machined or legit error coins. I cant spend the time evaluating, pricing and listing them. Its just not my thing.

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02/19/2021 10:07 pm
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 Posted 02/21/2021  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Good day all. I`ve been checking in on this post and it seems to have gone quiet. I thought the "uncleaned with error" pics was what Mike and probably everyone wanted to see?

It would be very nice to get a sense of direction from the pro`s regarding this entire topic. Even if it means there is no answer. I`m still eagerly awaiting Mike's expert opinion.

Thank you much!
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 Posted 02/22/2021  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bond632 to your friends list
I believe Mike did reply, he said PMD, unless you can find certified genuine ones that match yours.

The problem with plated coins is that they can be deplated, something added, and then replated. The replating process can be controlled to add a fine or thick layer as you see fit. This could have been done in a high school lab or even in somebody's home, as the process is not overly complicated and you can probably find all of the materials needed in your house.
Keep in mind, this could have been done in the 50's, 60's, etc., which still gives them lots of time to become tarnished and corroded.

In my mind, there are only two explanations for your coins.

1. Deplated or not, bumps added, replated. (Which is the most likely answer, considering how easy it is to do)

2. Die chips. (Which means you would have to find at least one more exactly like one you have, or send one for certification to a reputable TPG)
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 Posted 02/22/2021  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list

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I've only read the first and last page of this thread. What you'd need to find is a steel cent with these raised imperfections which has not been monkeyed with (reprocessed or de-plated). In the absence of such specimens, I would have to assume that these imperfections are a form of post-strike damage.

- mikediamond


I think we're done now.







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 Posted 02/22/2021  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Merclover, I did post a pic of a Uncleaned, from the same batch, non monkeyd with Cent that has the same type of bumps.

So you maybe done, but I think I will still wait for a unbiased opinion.


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I believe Mike did reply, he said PMD, unless you can find certified genuine ones that match yours.


Bond632, thats not what Mike said or asked for in his last reply.
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 Posted 02/22/2021  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bond632 to your friends list
I respectfully ask that you read Mikes post again.

He put in brackets what he means by "monkeyed with", (reprocessed or de-plated), which means replated or deplated at any point, this would then have to be proven by certification.

He is not implying cleaned, whizzed, buffed or any other process that might improve the appearance of the coin.
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 Posted 02/23/2021  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sccollector to your friends list
Good day all. I cannot thank you enough for those that used their expertise in trying to attempt to figure these Pennies out.

All but 11 were sold this morning. So this posted is truly ended.

Take care all!
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