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Grading And Toned Coins

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 Posted 02/12/2021  1:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blondebear to your friends list
That is was I thought, but wasn't sure. I know with error coins there is an extra cost, but am not sure about other attributes such as toning.

I guess my next question would be if anyone knows if this looks natural or artificially toned?
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 Posted 02/12/2021  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
My guess is the toning is real, the color saturation in the last two photograph has just been increased (using e.g. Photoshop).
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 Posted 02/12/2021  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list
To the best of my knowledge PCGS and NGC ONLY mention toning if they feel it's artificial, not natural.
And for that coin it would have been graded something like PR Genuine / Artificially Toned.

Based on that I believe that it's naturally toned.
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 Posted 02/12/2021  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
The toning is likely natural. The grade backs that up
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 Posted 02/12/2021  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Toning and heavy patination do not affect the grade, but beautiful rainbow toning can sometimes raises suspicions, because it is often difficult to tell if it is artificial or natural. Even the TPG's have left the question of artificial or natural open with the 'comment'.

IMO, it would be impossible to artificially tone a coin after it has been slabbed, because the slab would always interfere with whatever toning process was used.

Problem with heavy patination is that it can somewhat hide things like hairline scratches. That is one of the reasons why TPG's grade coins in hand under strong light, with a 10x loupe. In the slab those hairlines under heavy patination can be almost impossible to see, and so we just have to accept the TPG's opinion.

Due to the problems of deciding if toning is artificial or natural, I personally do not asses such coins with any higher or lower value.

Anybody who tries to put a beautiful, but artificial rainbow toning on a coin is just wasting his time, IMO. This is one of the reasons why I prefer blast white silver coins in MS+ grades.

For me, that is also the case for the coin pictured, but it certainly would not preclude me from buying it.
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 Posted 02/12/2021  6:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Toning is never specified on any TPG slab. The closest you get is with copper when they call it RB or BN.

Sure is a beautiful coin! The toning looks completely market acceptable to me. GOOD LUCK!
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 Posted 02/12/2021  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Blondebear to your friends list
Thanks everyone! I think I'm going to go ahead and get it. It's a beautiful coin! I'm a Nevada native so I'm continuously looking for Nevada coins that are just really cool looking. But I don't want to get anything that's fake!
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 Posted 02/13/2021  08:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Interesting. Looks like an ebay listing from mother_natures_showroom, a seller who has a good number of toners.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/mother_nat...047675.l2562

Was looking at mother_natures_showroom listings a couple days ago and thought I recognized the Nevada proof.
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 Posted 02/13/2021  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
if it was not natural it would have been noted. I'm with sel_691 I avoid toned coins if possible. you never know what they are going to look like decades later. they could be stellar or look like crap.
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 Posted 02/13/2021  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Killer coin for sure.



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Quote:
It Looks like an ebay listing from mother_natures_showroom, a seller who has a good number of toners.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/mother_nat...047675.l2562

It was from mother natures showroom! I am born and raised in Nevada, so I'm very Nevada proud, and I saw this and just had to have it. But I really don't want to get anything that is fake toned. I was a little leery because The store has so many toned coins, but I did ask and they said it was a natural tone. I did end up buying it. It's beautiful! And yes killer coin I couldn't agree more!
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 Posted 02/15/2021  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Diy89Nurm7 to your friends list
Follow-up question on this topic, though. If the toning is natural, would it increase over time? Do the TPG cases slow down or end natural toning?

I have wondered if TPG's don't mention toning because it is something that they cannot guarantee will remain constant whereas a year, for instance, won't become another year in time? If I was a guarantor I would not want to guarantee something that could change....

For what it's worth

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 Posted 02/16/2021  05:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Artificial or natural beautiful rainbow toned silver coins
need to be kept in airtight conditions, to prevent deeper toning and thus the possibility of spoiling the appearance.
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 Posted 02/16/2021  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list
Thats a really attractive coin. Good luck
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 Posted 04/08/2021  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
How did it work out, @Blondebear? Is the coin what you expected it to be like?
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