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Pillar of the Community
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The only thing I can find with that mint mark is Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine (DO 19; MIB 65; Sear 779) but that has a very different obverse die.
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That mustache of the fellow on the left is legendary.
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Wow! Incredible metal detector find. Has to be a once in a lifetime kind of discovery. 
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I imagine this site would be helpful: http://numismatics.org/digitallibra...95/nnan29265Weight of the coin? That helps a bit as well. There are probably about 100 mentions of "BOXX" with just a "control f" on the page of the above site and there is a lot to study there.
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 to the community Very nice find, it is Heraclius and Heraclius Constantine.
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 same like this one, I think the Byzantines made these lightweight solidii coins for payments outside of the Empire.
Edited by arnoldoe 03/05/2021 8:06 pm
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The obverse is like Sear types 749, 751, 753 with the figures about the same size and at the same level, and Heraclius (left) with a long beard.
But the reverse mint mark is like Sear 779.
A mystery ...
Edited by tdziemia 03/05/2021 11:14 pm
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Honestly the second head being as large is not almost larger than the first is the oddest part to me. For these two gentlemen that is.
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New Member
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Thank you all for your help!
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New Member
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The coin weighs 3.72-3.73 g.
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Quote: ... the second head being as large is not almost larger than the first is the oddest part to me. There are types for which this is typical (749, 751, 753) but not with BOXX rev. (at least as far as my searching took me).  Starts to make you wonder if it's a forgery combining elements of the two types. One can find differences between the OPs coin and recently sold examples with this combination of portraits (the hairs in the long beard are more parallel; Heraclius COnstantine's moustache droops downward on both sides). But if we're comparing to the wrong reference coin ... However, the weight is right (I realize that isn't always diagnostic ) 
Edited by tdziemia 03/06/2021 10:10 am
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New Member
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Thank you for your opinion, but I cannot admit the opinion that this is a fake, unless someone buried it on purpose. Could this be a lightweight solid with the obverse that you indicated? I found another coin with Boxx on the reverse: 
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Auturxx; Well I don't think tdziemia was saying it was fake as much as it could be a contemporary imitation of the barbarians or unlisted. From the site below I referenced earlier and again below: (Mentions Dnieper Delta and notice the "BOXX" reference as well. -->"Bauer further reports that his colleague Zograph, while spending the summer in southern Russia in 1927, was shown seven Byzantine solidi that were ostensibly found associated with other valuable utensils in the Dnieper Delta. There were six coins of Heraclius and one piece of Constans II. All of the coins of the three-emperor type, and Bauer unfortunately does not record how many there were included in this hoard, were marked BOXX. There is hardly enough information published concerning this hoard to make possible any very significant inferences or conclusions, but it is certainly most probable that the contents of this hoard were also exported to Russia between 641 and 668 A.D. Since there is no mention of these coins being used in the manufacture of jewellery, we may presume that they were intended for commercial purposes, and perhaps the hoard was buried relatively quickly after it left the Empire."<-- http://numismatics.org/digitallibra...95/nnan29265
Edited by louisvillekyshop 03/06/2021 1:50 pm
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@louisville, I think the article you've referenced might be the key, since it covers a large number of coins marked BOXX pertaining to regions near where this coin was found, but the recent auction archives have nearly none of these.  And I will remove my nose from an area I don;t know much about
Edited by tdziemia 03/06/2021 2:21 pm
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Thank you very much, the site was not noticed for the first time. The information is useful, because the coin was found near the Irdyn River (as far as I know, there was a Dnieper arm there before).
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