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1994 LMC With Possible Dropped Letters Reverse

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 Posted 03/14/2021  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The motto is showing a lot of over polishing, almost removing those devices. As far as the dropped letters go, they are not clear enough to be sure what happened there? Even a larger denomination coin with reeds, could of caused that. Just not clear enough to be definite to say for sure,
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 Posted 03/15/2021  12:07 am  Show Profile   Check Tanman2001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Tanman2001 to your friends list
Looks very much like the PLU from PLURIBUS. Not exactly sure what the cause is though. I don't see this being damage, letters aren't inverted and some strike throughs do result in a slight color or luster change to the metal.
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 Posted 03/15/2021  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scuba1 to your friends list
I agree with coop. What I do see is what looks like two subsequent shapes of something that looks like L's side by side in your last pic but not the letters PLU. Not seeing dropped letters here IMHO. With that said, I'm the novice here and coop is the pro hands down.
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 Posted 03/15/2021  12:16 am  Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add tropicalbats to your friends list
Can't say for sure, but that looks good to me as a dropped PLU. Hope it is as that would be a really nice find.
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 Posted 03/15/2021  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CentSation to your friends list
Looks incuse, I go with damage.
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 Posted 03/15/2021  12:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
@CentSation, if it were a dropped letter, which I can't confirm either way, it would be incuse.
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 Posted 03/15/2021  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CentSation to your friends list
"if it were a dropped letter ... it would be incuse."

Thanks for the clarification, not much of an error person so I figured 'dropped letter' meant that something was dropped on the die, not the planchet.

Had to look it up.
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03/15/2021 12:33 am
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 Posted 03/15/2021  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scuba1 to your friends list
I think some clearer pics may be beneficial from the OP. I may be wrong but I thought dropped letters have to be the same size and shape of the other letters/devices on the coin it came from in order to qualify. Yes, dropped letters are incuse but I am not seeing any resemblance of PLU here on this coin (makes me worry that my eyesight is getting that much worse....). Someone please help my old eyes and show me what you are seeing in the form of an incuse PLU..... Thank you, Seriously!!
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 Posted 03/15/2021  03:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverCents to your friends list
Interesting. I'd like closer photos of the area in question before I give my input.
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 Posted 03/15/2021  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Here are some images from Mike Diamonds site and comments, I've added to my files:
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CoopHome : What is a dropped letter/letters/design and how does it affect the strike?
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 Posted 03/15/2021  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CentSation to your friends list

"CoopHome: What is a dropped letter/letters/design and how does it affect the strike?"

Coop, I am interested in finding out more about dropped letters and I didn't see anything specific to it on your linked page. Is there more info on the site?
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 Posted 03/15/2021  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=drop+letters the definition.

Coop give 'it to you everything.

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 Posted 03/15/2021  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spacegirl to your friends list
Good evening all -

I so appreciate all the time and knowledge you all have spent reviewing this post. And Coop - WOW! That is such great information and a wonderful bunch of examples of dropped type.

So much so that I am more convinced than ever that this coin is in that category.

I have spent the last hour TRYING to take more clear images, but I am limited to my Galaxy Note 8 with the camera on zoom and the 30x loupe held over the lens! I really need a few more hands, but I have done my best. Additionally, I adjusted the color of the second image to what Photoshop says is proper adjustment for lighting and color - but ya never know. I hope that you can all now see clearly the image as follows:

The dropped letter "P" is slightly behind the "E" in the motto.

The L is very clear and the exact shape and size of the original. If there is anything a bit off it is that the foot of the "L" slightly drops.

the "U" is clear on the left side almost to the base, and the inside of the curve is easily seen. The rest of the "U" is visible where it starts to go up on the right of the letter.

I look forward to hearing your comments again.

THYI
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 Posted 03/15/2021  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Well those images are a lot better. The dulled look shows that there was some grease involved. Now if we could get you to use a diffuser, then you will be even happier. I have on my setup something that removes glare. Nothing costly at all. Depending on the type of light you are using. Bond paper can remove the glare from images. I've used in my studio (A cardboard box, a dark piece of fabric, a desk lamp and two sheet of paper, that I use for a setup for full images:
here is the results of the setup:
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For this setup I like to encircle the coins with BU coins to show how the center coin looks next to BU current coins:
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In the past I've used a setup like this:
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This setup worked great for the tiny scope I used to use. With that light and the small scope, I took hundreds of images for coppercoins.com (Note the plastic grocery bag over the light?, that was the diffuser)
Then I bought a bigger scope and needed more light, so I still used the light source, but upper the power a bit and used a 14 watt bulb on a 12 volt system.
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With the new setup I found different issues. Dealing with unwanted light. So I figured out the direction and use a diffuser to block the unwanted light:
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The two different blockers were used to show that anything could be used, it just prevents the unwanted light glare from hitting the coin.
I use a ramp to direct the desired reflection into the scope lens. The ramp is a 2X2 with a piece or two of cardboard to widen the ramp and fasten dark fabric on top to cover the ramp. Expensive stuff huh? But the removal of glare gets rid of too shiny views of coins. Determine the direction of light you don't want and block it out. (Place your hand around the coin, then figure out the direction of the unwanted light) A single light source is better for Micro Photos. Two is okay for full image coins. The angle on the ramp I found was best on my scope was light source as 12:00 and the taller angle of the ramp at 6:00. If I needed to rotate the coin, turn the coin, not the ramp. The angle will be correct at that setting, bu rotating the ramp will make the image lighter/darker or a golden color when you have it at the right angle.

CoopHome: Lighting, ramp, diffuser, setups for full images or single images.
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 Posted 03/15/2021  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spacegirl to your friends list
Wow again Coop! That's quite a lot of information, but having worked in studios years ago, I understand your setup. But in the first images. I can't figure out where your camera lens is. LOL

I figure I will soon have to invest in a decent coin microscope which with the time I have might be a lot more practical. Do you have any ideas what I could maybe pick up in the $100 or less range?

Also - after all this, I would like to know your conclusion about my coin.

Thanks so much. I learn a lot from you and the whole Forum.
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