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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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'Messed with' suggests questionable cleaning.
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Valued Member
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I posted more pictures hopefully it helps.
Should I bother getting this graded what is the estimated value based on your grade assessments.
Thanks I am trying to learnt he best I can.
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Pillar of the Community
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What does messed with mean? Cleaned/Polished? Yea, sorry, should have been more specific. Surfaces look like they MAY have been altered in one way or another, cleaned/ polished. Quote:
SO what does "Details" do to the value of this coin? Decreases it, by how much is dependent on the extent of the damage in combination with how much someone is willing to pay. A harshly cleaned coin will generally bring less than one with an old light cleaning that has retoned. I still can't make anything of the new pics, but I would expect a graded XF-AU Details to bring between $275-$450 (again depending on the extent of the damage). Up to you if it's worth the cost of grading. |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Where are those other photos of this coin . We can't evaluate it while still in the holder .
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Valued Member
United States
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The last 4 pics in the original post are out of 2x2. Will keep trying to get better pics. I am strugling with this USB microscope.
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Bedrock of the Community
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it looks like its just a flip holder. just open it up. take photos in natural indirect lighting so we can see the surfaces. it's difficult to give a true assessment with the glare and possible scratches on the holder.
your photo showing the closeup of E PLURIBUS UNUM is showing possible polish lines so thats why we need it out of the holder.
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Valued Member
United States
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These are not in a holder. Will find lamps to get better lighting, the camera lens On microscope causes to much glare.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Cant evaluate surface details from these dark pics.
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All I am trying different things, some people telling me pictures are too bright others saying too dark. Maybe these will help, most likely I will just submit to TPG and see what happens.   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Last pics not ideal ( not trying to bash them in any way), but they are good enough for me to now confidently say this will be a Details coin, likely AU Details, rim damage and scratches.
There are several spots along the rim that show damage, above Liberty, K5 obverse, and K8-K10 on the reverse are the more obvious. The scratches seen on the reverse rim carry over the buffalos head and shoulder. Still can't make out what's going on with the scratches in the fields my EPU, MAY be heavy die polishing, but some DO look to be post mint as well.
AU Details examples do hold a high enough value to justify grading IMO, but given the number of issues on this one, it's may hold it to the lower side of the price range. Just my 2 cents.
Edited by Ty2020b
03/25/2021 4:55 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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First,  The pictures make it difficult to see key areas of the surfaces, but I see enough to make me concerned.  The pitting between the first and second feathers and east of the portrait The ground rims Heavy pitting beneath the buffalo's belly and at the right rear leg deep abrasions on the buffalo's back beneath EPU and between the buffalo and UNITED STATES. Compare your coin to the following coin:   There are differences, but the similarities are noticeable. The pics I uploaded are of a known Russian Federation counterfeit 1921-S. (It shares the same reverse with counterfeit 1913-S Type 2 and 1926-S coins.) Pitting that prominent suggests a cast counterfeit. The surface abrasions and cleaning suggest an effort to remove the more evident signs of casting. Photos of the edge would be helpful. Like I said, the pictures are not clear enough to be sure, but I have concerns. |
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Valued Member
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Guess I will bite the bullet and see what the professionals say. I will update this post when I get the grade/coin back.
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Edited by sam2nth2
05/04/2021 10:33 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks for posting an update. Submitting coins to the TPG graders can be perplexing and confusing. You may want to consider posting the coin before purchasing and let the members here give their opinions. It was difficult to grade the coin from the photos posted, but TY was correct with the altered surfaces opinion. |
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Posted 03/24/2021 12:19 pm
