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Collecting To Represent Coin History: What Would You Include?

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 Posted 03/29/2021  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list
I'd suggest a British golden guinea of 1662-1812 or a sovereign, as they were very important trade coins that circulated around the world.
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 Posted 03/29/2021  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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I was initially thinking Chinese spade money, but it doesn't fit a normal slab
Same!

with NumisRob about the sovereign; that's a pretty obvious one.
(...It's actually a bit uncomfortable how many of the entries are gold.)

Just for curiosity, why a lifetime Maria Theresa thaler and not a posthumous one? (Is it just because the early posthumous types are too rare and/or too expensive?)
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 Posted 03/29/2021  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list

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-German 5 Mark of Kaiser Wilhelm I
-Napoleon I 5 Francs
-Louis XVI 1 ecu

Those are all great additions to your list.

You may want to consider swapping the Napoleon 5 francs for a Napoleon gold 20 francs, since the 5 mark and 5 francs coins are both 19th century versions of the thaler, so sort of two of the same kind. The 20 francs gold coin became internationally accepted and in the 20th century, the "gold franc" was a separate currency, used as a unit of account for certain international transactions, long after it had played out its role as the French currency. It is still a very popular bullion coin. You can choose one of Napoleon I's more expensive gold coins or one of the later and less expensive issues (they are all beautiful in my view ).
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 Posted 03/29/2021  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list

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A related topic for reference...

http://goccf.com/t/391040


Funny enough that was my thread too, but as I revised what a "One Box" Collection meant to me I felt it deserved a new start
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 Posted 03/29/2021  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list

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I'd suggest a British golden guinea of 1662-1812 or a sovereign


I've been thinking about a George III sovereign, probably my favorite of the designs. If I come into to some money some day I'll include a noble in the set


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since the 5 mark and 5 francs coins are both 19th century versions of the thaler, so sort of two of the same kind


Very good point, world crowns are all pretty similar, I like the 20 Franc suggestion. Gold is always tempting


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why a lifetime Maria Theresa thaler and not a posthumous one?


I assume you mean why 1740-1780 and not a 1780 (restrike) release, and my main reason is that if I have one dated prior to 1780, I know it is of that date, but since they kept restriking with the 1780 date up to the current day, I want one that truly is of the times, despite the continued use in world trade
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 Posted 03/29/2021  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Funny enough that was my thread too, but as I revised what a "One Box" Collection meant to me I felt it deserved a new start
No problem, which is why this one will stand on its own. I just wanted to make sure people saw that one as well.
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 Posted 03/30/2021  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinBook to your friends list
You have raised an interesting question as to what historical significant coins you should collect
I have just published a book "Empires & Money", which is the history of the major trade currencies of the world -- starting pre-coin to the current US Dollar plus history of Chinese money including the paper money described by Marco Polo.
I would start with a Lydian electrum coin (the first coin) or possibly the silver or gold or silver Lydian coins. Then I would look at the Aegean Turtle Coins (first coin of Greece), then the Athenian "Owl" tetradrachma, which is considered as being the first trade coin that was used until it was displaced by the coins of Alexander the Great, that were followed by the coins of Alexander's Successors. Might throw in a Celtic coin copy of Philip II. The last monarch of Alexander's successors was Cleopatra. The Roman Denarius would be the next. The Byzantine Solidus, The Dinar of the Arab Empire. The Denier of Charlemagne, The Silver penny of King Offa of Mercer, The gold Augustale of Frederick II which was displaced by the Ducat, Florin, etc Do not forget the Thaler of Maria Theresa which dominated the Levant for over 200 years and was made by the Italians for there war in Ethiopia after the WWI. The British copied the Thaler during Lawrence of Arabia's campaign. My book, with 380 tight pages and over 4000 images covers this area. I also cover the importance of the gold:Silver ratio since the time of the Egyptians to the abolition of the gold standard by Nixon in 1971. The ISBN of my book is 978-1-896713-02-1.
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 Posted 03/31/2021  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list

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The gold Augustale of Frederick II
Probably comes under the million dollar pattern category. It's an awesome coin. It is also extremely rare.

that an Arabic/Islamic coin (dinar or, more likely, dirham) definitely should be there, though. How did we all miss that one?
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 Posted 03/31/2021  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinBook to your friends list
Yes, the gold Augustale is special it is a 20.5K gold coin struck (1231), in Sicily, by Frederick II (Holy Roman Emperor). It was highly considered as the Byzantine solidus and Islamic gold Dinar coins. The gold was obtained from Mali in the trans-Sahara trade. The Augustale, for a short period, became a major European trade coin. It was eclipsed, in 1252, by the purer 24K Florentine and Genoese coins (with flatter images). More than that it is designed to look like a high relief Roman Imperial coin while at this time coins before and after the Augustale had relatively flat religious symbols. The coin is expensive but we have to recognize its place in monetary history. Image is from my book Empires & Money ISBN 978 1 896713 02 1 Paul
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 Posted 03/31/2021  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list
What a brilliant history you've described CoinBook! You have helped me to fill in the gaps between some of the coins I wanted to include, I greatly appreciate it. I'll have to look into getting my hands on your book
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 Posted 03/31/2021  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinBook to your friends list
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It looks as if you are embarking on a major project.

These are an interesting series of images from my book regarding Napoleon. My book is full of these teasers.
Over 4000 images 380 pages

Empires & Money Gold Paper Money Crypto
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 Posted 03/31/2021  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
1797 British penny or two pence, the first coins created by steam power presses.
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 Posted 04/01/2021  02:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PNWType to your friends list

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the first coins created by steam power presses.


I did not know that! And I've always wanted one of those huge cartwheels, I love the design and the size. Thanks Conder
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 Posted 04/01/2021  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinBook to your friends list
Good idea
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 Posted 04/02/2021  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Watt didn't invent the steam engine, he came up with improvements that made it practical.
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