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Overweight Saint-Gaudens 1913 Fake Or Error?

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 Posted 05/21/2021  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I also don't like the top of the 3, which seems to point slightly upward rather than straight.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list
Can you get better photos ? The more I look at this coin nothing is right
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 Posted 05/21/2021  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
Doesn't look legit to me, but better pics would help. Hopefully it is at least made from gold, XRF should determine, but being overweight makes even that doubtful.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
Sorry, but that is aa counterfeit. That's the reason why it was overweight.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rothery to your friends list
You might want to post pictures of your other ones (One coin per topic) as if 1 is fake then the others may be suspect.


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I am currently getting it analysed with a spectrometer.

How'd that turn out?
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 Posted 05/21/2021  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Von von to your friends list

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Thankfully I had the result from testing today and it is definitely gold. Hopefully these pics are a bit clearer.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnH4444 to your friends list
At least it's gold. The last 3 is way too high, modified date maybe?
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 Posted 05/21/2021  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisEd to your friends list
I am not sure how a XRF spectrometer is supposed to help. At most, you identify the top layer of the coin. If it is an e.g. gold clad tungsten/lead coin, it will still throw you off. Only a resonance frequency test is 100% accurate.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Von von to your friends list
fortunately it was a jeweller that also buys and sells gold that tested it for me, and they stuck with a previous offer made as a gold piece. I just didn't want too part with it until I was reasonably sure it was a fake. For now the mystery continues but I also have my doubts.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list
If your dealer thinks it's good gold, that's good news for you. I recommend you get this one off your hands while you can.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list
If you can sell it for bullion, go for it.
There is no Numismatic value to it.
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 Posted 05/21/2021  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
Why would anyone want to forge a common Saint Gaudens double eagle with actual gold is mind boggling?
How did the jeweller detect this is the correct amount of gold?
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 Posted 05/22/2021  07:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Von von to your friends list
I agree, I am going to double check the rest of the collection.
Thanks to everybody for your advice xxx
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 Posted 05/24/2021  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list
there's fakes out of the middle east, not so much trying to scam people but faked to give them more credibility as a unit for trade and worth their gold.

there's plenty of fake St. Gaudens that are legit on the composition, and off a bit on the weight and design, used in trade, likely made in Lebannon in the 1950s-1970s. it was more about giving the coin a recognizable face, and less about scamming collectors which is why they are usually very common dates.

these turned up in the mid 1970s here, after Ford repealed the Executive Order that Roosevelt used to call in gold in 1933 with Executive Order 11825. Americans wanted old U.S. gold and there types came flooding back in with the authentic ones.

Very possible it's legit right composition, a little heavy or a little light, and maybe even funky looking, they all were.
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 Posted 05/24/2021  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VictoryHighway to your friends list
Looks counterfeit to me.
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