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Now I have to go look at the 1913-S V2 nickel in my Dansco.  It is low grade. I hope I am safe.  |
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This counterfeiter mated the 1913 obverse with a correct 1913-1917 reverse, which has the MMS-001 San Francisco mint mark style. The joined coins are also matching EMDS die states with matching AU grades and matching strong strikes. Very deceptive counterfeit.
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That one is scary good.  |
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The join line is faint but clear enough. However, most people would not look at the edge.
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It seems inevitable that eventually, counterfeiters will be able to make coins that are indistinguishable from the real deal.
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 This. And it's scary. |
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So how was that made? Grinding two coins down to about half their thickness then gluing them together?
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That's essentially correct.
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The article also says that the counterfeit lacks the "ring" of a genuine coin. So there may be some gap between the halves, or a substance that dampens the vibrations of the ring. That could be a hint of how it was produced. I'd imagine if the two halves were perfectly placed and somehow soldered together with no gap, the ring would sound genuine.
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These are a tough fake to detect, I hate even more the ones where the coin is hollowed out and a new piece is fitted into the shell making the seam at the rim/denticle edge, you see that more with larger coins like half dollars and dollars. Very much like a Magicians coin, from the old "Scotch and Soda" coin trick. With new CNC and laser technologies these are only getting easier to do and better in quality. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I'd quit buying higher-dollar raw coins many years ago because I was nervous about missing some little detail and making an expensive mistake. Seeing examples like this only reinforces that  . @jacrispies - I don't think you could ever match the "ring" of a solid coin, no matter how well the two halves matched up. I believe there would still be a microscopic-level acoustic break at the seam which would alter the sound. Member of SPMC, FCCB, ANA and ANS. My U.S. Classic Commemorative Complete Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/278741/My U.S. Fractional Note Set: https://notes.www.collectors-societ...eSetID=34188Edited by hokiefan_82
10/13/2021 11:45 pm
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Creating two halves of coin has many variables. Thickness of the blade to consider, holding it in a manner which would not create a noticeable scuff/mark on obverse/reverse, and to cut it exactly square like this example. What worries me more is modern 3d printing. Who would have thought such a thing possible ten years ago?
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Thank you for sharing these with us. This fake is scary good.
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Excellent. I'd never catch that especially if you're not into the series.
The weight was properly what cause the alarm for the graders to look into it further.
Edited by macmercury
10/16/2021 2:56 pm
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