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I Have Read Several Times On This Forum It's Not Wise To Slab < 150$ Coins

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 Posted 09/06/2021  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Couple of thoughts -

First, ebay ask prices are not a good guide to value. Have you checked Heritage's extensive auction data base?

Second, my comment was based on your indication that you were aiming to acquire, in 66 or better, all cents from "1934 to the present". I was basically referring to issues from 1959 to 2021.
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09/06/2021 5:49 pm
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 Posted 09/06/2021  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list
I'll throw in a couple remarks, some repeating what's already been said...
When you look at the pricing for slabbing a coin, be sure to include additional costs - the shipping/processing fees by the TPG which are on top of the actual cost of slabbing, and your shipping costs to get the coins there. Those add up quicker than you may think!
For my type set, I've purchased many of the modern issues in PCGS or NGC holders for less than the cost of slabbing. Sometimes far less. As others have said, compare the costs, and just remember your coin may come back at a lower grade than expected.
You mention collecting copper in your living environment - remember that TPG slabs are generally not completely airtight. They give some protection, but not complete. Proper storage of the slabs is essential to protect them from your local environmental issues.
But at the end of the day, it's your decision to make. Once you have the necessary information and weigh the pros and cons, go with what makes you happy!
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09/06/2021 6:52 pm
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 Posted 09/06/2021  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grospoisson to your friends list
I got the bug for a slabbed set but I thought I may have tunnel vision and am counting on other members to look at different perspectives and run them by me. Thanks you guys wisdom helps
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 Posted 09/07/2021  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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I just tried to look for a 1948, 1949 , 1950 and 1953 ms-66 Lincoln look at the prices. what you said about running the risk is very real to me and right on point. On ebay all these dealers want over 100 dollars each and it has been that way for months. It seems to me that dealers of Lincolns might take note and bulk submit these four dates (providing they can get an obw roll or two of these dates. It may well be worth it. What say you guys?

Even if you could get your hands on OBW, and bulk submitted them you would probably find that most of them would come back 62,63, and 64. Now check the going rate for those compared to your submission costs. Anything that comes back less than a 66 is a loser financially. (And if $100 already slabbed is too much for you how can you afford 100 grading fees for a bulk submission?)
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 Posted 09/08/2021  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bret to your friends list

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I got the bug for a slabbed set but I thought I may have tunnel vision and am counting on other members to look at different perspectives and run them by me. Thanks you guys wisdom helps

Whenever people ask about buying slabbed coins, I ask why. You've indicated that your interest is primarily because it will help your heirs get the most for the coins when you pass away. While it may help some, having a strategy for selling is far more important. When selling, one needs to be able to offer coins to a broad audience. ebay is one way to do this, but the selling fees are pretty high. The best way I've found is to go to a large coin show and take offers from multiple dealers. However, this requires effort. Reality is that most heirs will just take everything to a local coin shop or two at the most and take whatever they're offered.

A significant downside to slabbing lower value coins (<$150 or so) is that you end up spending a significant portion of your budget on slabbing. Do you want more raw coins or fewer slabbed coins? Do you like slabbed coins better because another person is affirming the grade? Do you care about presentation? When putting together my Lincoln wheat collection, I found that putting the whole set in two large Capital Plastic holders presented very well to people who know little about coins. I even cracked my EF 1909-S VDB out of its slab to put it in the Capital Plastic holder along with the rest of the set. One final suggestion that I'd make is to buy the whole series in the same condition to the extent possible. My Lincoln wheat set is in brown EF to AU condition and looks very uniform. People love looking at it. When a set is presented that have varying condition coins, people immediately think that you couldn't afford the rarer coins in nicer grades. While that's likely true, people just don't go to that thought when the coins are all close in grade.
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 Posted 09/09/2021  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dant5150 to your friends list
It sounds like you are doing as you are doing for a future that cannot be fully predicted.

example: You, cross-over but your children don't need a financial boost but are impressed by your passion and they assume the caretaker duties upon all you had built and never sell one plugged nickel.

example: You, cross-over but somehow suddenly and unrelated to your demise, people become human and the need and the greed for things and stuff and more than what one needs is eliminated from our goings on and the world becomes as BILL & TED'S Excellent Adventure dreamed up!

You are currently able to spend time with your children, they will appreciate this more than whether or not you slabbed a penny to get them an extra few bucks than a non-slabbed penny after you kick the bucket.

You could entertain them with what you hope they will use your coins for and what they could expect, but, you won't be able to be there at that time to ensure it so, have fun building it... the relationship with your tots/kiddlings/offspring!

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 Posted 09/09/2021  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
$150 is a sort of 'rule of thumb' potential value limit.

For a number of different reasons, none of my coins are slabbed.
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 Posted 09/09/2021  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I have many slabbed coins. I just let a previous owner pay the fee.
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 Posted 09/09/2021  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rick-99 to your friends list
Thanks for the great information, I just learned a lot and probably saved some money too.
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 Posted 09/11/2021  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grospoisson to your friends list
"$150 is a sort of 'rule of thumb' potential value limit.

For a number of different reasons, none of my coins are slabbed."

"I have many slabbed coins. I just let a previous owner pay the fee."

These statements sound like sound advice. When you have a raw coin that looks pretty awesome but A slabbed one cost 100$. The cost of grading around 25 to 30 dollars seems cheaper than 100 dollars. The argument there will be there is no garrantee you will get the grade desired ( very valid statement). Having examined my raw coins under a 50 power scope to count bag marks, hairlines sharpness of strike then doing the same with a slabbed coin from NGC and PCGS and the raw coin in fact has fewer marks, then I probably should submit in my opinion (provided that's what I want).
After rereading the comments to my original post, I saw many many very excellent points. These gave me pause, yet I can't shake the argument to slab coins before 1960 that are expensive for me (75 to 100 dollars) slabbed like a 1948 or 1953 Lincoln and several other Philadelphia mint Lincolns (late 40's and early 50's) Maybe I want my cake and eat it to?

Reasons for
1. I want a slabbed collection( most on here will say then go for it) they are your coins
2. Most seasoned collectors say coins will tone over time even in slabs ( will slabbed coins take longer to tone so longer protection) or at least until I pass
3. In the event I want someone else to enjoy the collection later on, I can get some return on my set ( no intent to sell for now)
4.The price of submissions keeps going up, this will increase the selling price I would think
5. I know what I have
6. Potential buyers gravitate to slabbed coins and grade of them

Reasons against
1. the coins in question still exist in original rolls
2. waste of money since there is no garrantee I can get the grade I want (very real possibility)
3. unwise investment, money could be put to expanding collection
4. And the list goes on

One more time thanks to everyone who weighed in, I guess it's my dumb ars spending the money and trying to convince myself to go ahead and do it if it makes me happy!
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 Posted 09/12/2021  08:14 am  Show Profile   Check Lancek's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Lancek to your friends list
Have you thought about using ANACS for some of your lower value stuff? I use them for that. Gives me the slabbed and sealed protection I want. Gives me a grade that my heirs can use to narrow down value. Often half the cost of the big two if you catch one of their specials. Especially when you consider they have no submission fees or memberships to buy.

Will they sell for as much as a PCGS, NGC? Prob not. But I bet they sell for more than a raw coin would. Also, if some do come back lower than expected, or show a cleaning that you didn't catch, at least you haven't spent very much money to find out.

They have been running their buff nickel special for four months. Listed as ending Sept. 30. I would bet they have one of their better specials starting in Oct. Sometimes its a week into the new month before they get the new special up on their website. You can also sign up for email notifications of their specials.
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 Posted 09/13/2021  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OriginalAtog to your friends list
I've been looking into maybe slabbing a couple coins that I feel could use it.

Unless I am missing something Currently the total cost per coin and shipping is starting around $50-70 per coin depending on the company you use. (Not counting membership fees)

There are ways to lower cost a little bit, but not much. And what do you do if that MS66 comes back a MS62, or AU grade.

Basically you have to ask yourself is it worth it to me to pay that amount to get the coin I have slabbed? It adds up quickly.
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 Posted 09/14/2021  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grospoisson to your friends list

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"Have you thought about using ANACS for some of your lower value stuff? I use them for that. Gives me the slabbed and sealed protection I want. Gives me a grade that my heirs can use to narrow down value. Often half the cost of the big two if you catch one of their specials. Especially when you consider they have no submission fees or memberships to buy.

Will they sell for as much as a PCGS, NGC? Prob not. But I bet they sell for more than a raw coin would. Also, if some do come back lower than expected, or show a cleaning that you didn't catch, at least you haven't spent very much money to find out.

They have been running their buff nickel special for four months. Listed as ending Sept. 30. I would bet they have one of their better specials starting in Oct. Sometimes its a week into the new month before they get the new special up on their website. You can also sign up for email notifications of their specials."
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I actually have thought about sending some of the lower value early Lincolns to ICG AT half the cost but I will also wait to see if Anacs will run a special. I doubt PCGS will ever run a Lincoln special (since I am a member of PCGS). Your excellent reply will definitely be food for thought and looked into. thanks a bunch
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 Posted 09/14/2021  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Collects82 to your friends list
I would also vote for giving ANACSs specials a consideration. I took advantage of 10 classics for $120 a year ago and have been very happy with my results - they were honest in their assessments which was their job and I got everything back in about 5 weeks from when I mailed them out. ANACS is 2nd to none for varieties IMO if you have a bunch of those in your Lincoln collection.
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 Posted 09/26/2021  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinnewcomer1 to your friends list
A few months ago a rep from Heritage Auctions provided a presentations on the state of collectibles with an emphasis on coins to our coin club. One bit of information reiterates what has been written already: Heritage will assess a collection worth in total at least $5,000 with individual items worth at minimum $150. This is why most collectors suggest slabbing a coin worth $150 or more.

I think you should have a trusted professional assess your collection before slabbing anything. There may be a fee but as your acquisitions are Lincoln cents and are well-known among most auction houses and there doesn't seem to be anything that has an obvious worth well above $1,000, you are likely not to face a high fee for this service. Furthermore your posts suggest you are grading based on your own eye and experience. I would revisit your cents and compare the ones you think are high grade with those shown on online auctions, PCGS photograder site and ANA grading guides. Also anything with a strong strike even in a lower grade will do better on the market than a coin with a weak strike and high grade. However, this does not hold true if the coin with a weak strike is scarcer or rarer than the one with a strong strike. A good example of this is to compare a 1919S Walking Liberty with a !946 Philly Walking Liberty half dollar. The difference in strike is dramatic, but the 1919S will always be much more expensive than the 1946 due to the modest mintage and very low survival rate as well as this issue being notorious for weak strikes making it much scarcer/rare than the 46. Another comparison is a 1940S with a decent strike with a 1939 Walking Liberty half dollar at the same grade, the 1940S will be more expensive one. 1940S WLBs are notorious for having very weak strikes but the mintages and survival rate is only slightly lower than the 39. But 1940S with a decent strike are much scarcer than 39's with a good strike. The 1939 Philly was well struck and quite affordable except in the very highest grades.

Also interesting point about having a collection with a uniformity of grade. TO me this means if you can get the affordable ones in Mid MS while key or semi-key in high XF- Au then high XF to mid MS would be the broadest range recommended with a preference for Au 55 - MS66 best. Eye appeal (which includes the strength of the strike) play an important role in valuation would be the widest span recommended. I think they all should have some eye appeal --- even an XF coin can still have enough eye appeal to have it be attractive. THink of the difference between say a high AU Shield Reverse Lincoln Cent versus a Memorial Reverse cent from the early 1970's --- usually due to the higher relief and good strike they are more sought after than the very low relief Shield reverse cents which are prone to get covered in hairlines from use and even in MS state black spots from the minting process.

As for the slabs making it easier for your heirs to sell the coins, that is not guaranteed. One still has to understand the grading code and comments (for example before I got into numismatics, if I saw a slab with AU 55, Details that would have been a mystery).

Which brings me back to my suggestion to first have your collection assessed and, in my opinion, slab those cents that would be worth over $500 on the market if you feel thge need to do this.
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09/26/2021 3:36 pm
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