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The Original 5 Liberty Head Nickel Set Of 1913

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 Posted 09/29/2021  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list
Thanks for sharing!

Really glad the Buffalo nickel turned out the way it did and not like one of the above. Though I'd happily take a 1913 pattern
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 Posted 09/29/2021  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSilverDollar to your friends list
Thanks for Sharing! a Buffalo nickle in Copper would have been Amazing!
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 Posted 09/29/2021  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list

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A unique uniface 1912 Indian head Obverse nickel:


funny thing is if someone posted this looking for opinions, everyone would say PMD,,
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 Posted 09/29/2021  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
What, no wooden nickels!
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 Posted 09/29/2021  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
I can't believe an empty leather pouch sold for $10,800. Does it smell like 5 1913 Liberty nickels or something? That was an amazing set when it was together.
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 Posted 09/29/2021  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I think I like the 1911 Lincoln nickel pattern the best.
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 Posted 09/29/2021  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
First time I'm seeing these. Thank you westcoin!
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 Posted 09/30/2021  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
The area of U.S. Pattern coins is my guilty pleasure, though I can't really afford to play in the game, I do have many photos collected over the years and I've read so much about them. It was an area of numismatics that had been really under appreciated in the earlier days, up to and through the mid 1960's when I was born.

So many of most rare and interesting pattern coins were just a few dollars and often even cheaper than many of the regular issued and so-called "rarities" of a series.

Abe Kossoff was one of the dealers that handled patterns. His stories of working with them make me cry at the cost of many he sold, literally handfuls of them could be had for a hundred dollars well into the 1950's.

One of Abe Kosoff's books on patterns is free at NNP
https://archive.org/details/illustr...kos/mode/2up

Coins that were in the absolute best condition however were always a premium in cost, even the patterns. By the 1970's the prices began to climb and once the Garrett sales began prices on US Patterns were out of many collectors budget.


And to see what I mean on pricing, have a look through this early 1960 Q. David Bowers "Empire Coin Company" Fixed Price List of US patterns from the Major Lenox R. Lohr collection.
https://archive.org/details/uspatte...mpi/mode/2up

Two numismatists today that work the pattern field, have also built a wonderful website. Thanks to:

Andy Lustig
Saul Teichman

for their hard work in creating, maintaining and hosting the https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/ and in spite of the "store" in that URL they are not offering anything for sale.

The website's Mission Statement is:

The Society of U.S. Pattern Collectors is dedicated to the study of many of the rarest coins struck at the U.S. Mint: patterns, die trials and experimental pieces.

It is probably one of the best places one can go to do research and ask questions, as well as to just browse and thousands of interesting and varied patterns of our coin designs.

Give them a visit - it costs nothing but a desire to want to learn and a lust for knowledge, plus they have a lot of cool pictures too!

I will concede the "US Patterns" website is not the easiest or friendliest to use, and it could do with a serious updating just to bring it into the modern age of webdesign, but most of it works fine, (one exception the search engine never seems to work at all). I do use the site fairly regularly in my researching, and have yet to find any serious flaws in the information contained within it.
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 Posted 09/30/2021  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSilverDollar to your friends list
Do they still make patterns or equivalents that still get into public hands or no modern 1950 and up ones?
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 Posted 09/30/2021  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list
Thanks for this great post! The Buffalo struck in copper is amazing.
Today is the last day of the month and I just checked my wallet and it's empty so maybe I can sell it for $10800 like that leather holder?
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 Posted 09/30/2021  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list

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Do they still make patterns or equivalents that still get into public hands or no modern 1950 and up ones?


That's a great question, and sadly none that I am aware of. Even if they did the price would be so exorbitant no mere mortal could afford them.

There were some former US Mint engraver, Frank Gasparo, items that come up around 2009 but his daughter decided to donate them all to the National Collection for all to enjoy.
https://americanhistory.si.edu/coll...ief-engraver

In 1999 there were some trial pieces that were inadvertently released of the Marsha Washington dollar.
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net...sdesons.html

As outside contractors were given some of these it is possible and probable that they still exist outside of the mint in a "clandestine" area.
https://varietyerrors.com/coin-pric...price-guide/

The Sacagawea "Cheerios" Dollar patterns have come to light as well, though never officially released either.
http://www.smalldollars.com/dollar/page20c.html


But NO is the answer to "Can I purchase current patterns somewhere official?"

There have been a few outside unofficial vendors that have made patterns like the Gallery Mint or Carr's Midnight Mint some of the pieces that they produced were in the running to become a new official US Coin design, but never did.
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 Posted 09/30/2021  2:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list

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The area of U.S. Pattern coins is my guilty pleasure, though I can't really afford to play in the game


@westcoin, I agree with you there! There's a small dealer in the Houston area I got to know well over the years who specialized in patterns. I loved looking at his inventory, but the expense of building a pattern collection was just too high...
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 Posted 09/30/2021  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter4 to your friends list
I like the Abraham Lincoln buffalo.
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 Posted 09/30/2021  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSilverDollar to your friends list
@westcoin

Thanks that was really helpful & learned alot.
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 Posted 09/30/2021  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHunter27 to your friends list
Truly fantastic stuff! Very cool!

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