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Saint-Gaudens Vs Liberty Head Double Eagles

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 Posted 12/13/2021  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Classic Coins to your friends list
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I think the St. Gaudens double eagle is a much more beautiful design than the Liberty Head double eagle, and I agree with Coinfrog that aesthetics is the reason the St. Gaudens is much more popular.

The liberty figure on the Liberty Head gold, to me, is an unrealistic depiction of a feminine face. She has fat cheeks, and her profile shows an almost straight line from the top of her forehead to the tip of her nose. The heraldic eagle on the reverse looks like road kill to me, and the wings are too thin.

The St. Gaudens reverse shows an artistic liberty figure, and more realistic looking eagle on reverse, although not as realistic as the Walking Liberty half dollar reverse, in my opinion.
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 Posted 12/13/2021  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list
Coincidently, seeing this thread, I am in the process of trading one of my common date duplicate $20 Liberty's (which is probably only AU or MS61/62) for a common MS62 slabbed PCGS St Augustus. I probably have to add a little money, maybe a hundred or two.

I always look for a nice nose on Liberty's face on the St Augustus coin. They are sometimes either weak or flattened from circulation which hurts the beauty of the design.
The one I'm looking at is nice with no real shortcomings.
It will fill a big hole in my type set.

Some say it is the most beautiful US coin. It's up there but maybe not the best.
Maybe a very high grade high relief would be?
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 Posted 12/13/2021  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
I like the Liberty head better than the St. Gaudens design. Why? I am a classical kind of guy. Plus it is a win-win situation, because they are cheaper.

In the end, it comes down to opinion. Most people like the St. Gaudens design. I can appreciate the design, but it doesn't click with me. I especially like the attractive $20 liberty reverse with the motto.
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 Posted 12/13/2021  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I see both types from the same perspective as Sap does, and for the same reasons.

I sold a collection many decades ago that included Liberty Head type, in about MS-62, as best that I can remember.
When the opportunity came along to acquire another Double Eagle, I opted for the St Gaudens type, for purely aesthetic reasons. In MS-61, I paid the equivalent of U.S.$420 for it in a public auction, in the mid 1980's. I still have it.

My first love is ancient coins, and the design on both sides of the St Gaudens Double Eagle are of the very best neo classic ancient Greek coinage design, very much assisted by modern minting technology.

If I want to show a picture of a coin to someone who knows nothing about numismatics, I go to my phone picture gallery, and present the St Gaudens image. It is easily the most appreciated design by those who have a only a basic knowledge of art, either ancient or modern neo classic.

Like most of American neoclassic coin design, it proudly proclaims that it was produced by the United States of America, even without a legend.

The 2009 one ounce Ultra High Relief Double Eagle had good reason to be produced by the U.S. Mint
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 Posted 12/14/2021  04:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
. I much prefer the St.-Gaudens over the Liberty Head.
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 Posted 12/14/2021  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
I lean towards the history side. Liberty Head denotes Gold Rush and Civil War. St. Gaudens denotes Belle Epoque, and I have lots of French examples of that. I like the $10 Indian better than the Saint in the same period.
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 Posted 12/14/2021  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Couldn't agree more. The $10 Indian is my favorite U.S. coin design by far.
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 Posted 12/14/2021  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
Being of gold, it is hard not to love them both, but the Saint Gaudens looks better.
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 Posted 12/14/2021  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fredu to your friends list
Thanks for the welcomes!

Points well taken.
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 Posted 12/15/2021  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The Liberty looks to be more of a coin, a piece of money,
the St Gaudens reminds me more of of a piece of medallic art.
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 Posted 12/15/2021  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
They're both traditional ancient coin designs sel. The Liberty Head bust is in the tradition of the Athena tetradrachms. The Saint medallion is in the tradition of the Persian archer king on the darics and siglos.

What we have lost is the owl....
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 Posted 12/17/2021  09:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

Makes little difference to me since I can't afford either.
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 Posted 12/19/2021  12:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list
You present some good points. Factoring out both Saint-Gaudens and Roosevelt, three things represent the United States no matter where you are from in this world. The eagle, the buffalo and the native American Indian. In combining two of those, both on the 2 1/2 and five dollar gold (and the Indian head nickel if counting) is a home run. Throw in an incuse design and it becomes extremely tough to top. My personal opinion.
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I prefer Libs. Doug Winter prefers Libs. I'm in good company there. Saints have nice designs. Libs hold the history of the Old West. If the Roaring 20s is your thing, have at it. I like cowboy coinage. I'll get a Saint next year just because it belongs. Just like 10 Indians and $5/$2.50 etc.
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