Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Commems Collection Classic: 1928 Oregon Trail Memorial

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
First Page  Showing last 15 replies.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 2,763Next Topic Page 2 of 2
Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts
 Posted 01/08/2022  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Thanks, I had been wondering about that anomaly, as you know.
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
15414 Posts
 Posted 01/08/2022  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
Fascinating history commems - I had no idea of the 5 year delay in releasing the 1928 dated coins.

Interesting plot twist was the decision to return 44,000 of the 50,000 1928 dated coins to create a false sense of rarity.

This decision, plus the continued subsequent mintage years of the Oregon Trail series, were just one of numerous collector abuses during the commemorative craze era.

Sidebar thought - we know there are three classic silver commemorative type coins with net mintages of 10,000 each (Hawaiian, Hudson and Spanish Trail). This nominally makes them key dates for today's collectors.

@commems - are you aware of any evidence that an authorized selling committee of any other classic series type coin deliberated an effort to manipulate market rarity (and hence original issue price) by duplicating the 1928 Oregon Trail purchase then return strategy?

Let's use for example the 1936 Delaware Tercentenary Half. 25,015 coins authorized and minted, 4,022 returned and melted. Net distribution of 20,993.

What checks and balances were in place to prevent the Delaware Swedish Tercentenary Commission from requesting the 25,015 coins, returning say 20,000 of them and thus ending up with the rarest of the series type coin?

It seems at some level that is what occurred with the 1928 dated Oregon Trail coins.

Back to the 1928 Oregon Trail coin - about a decade ago I was enamored enough with the Oregon Trail design that I started an attempt to acquire the entire series MS/CAC approved. I managed to acquire 7 of them before that interest waned and have not added any since.

Lo and behold - one of the coins I still have is the manipulated rarity 1928!

1928 Oregon Trail Memorial Half Dollar - PCGS MS66/CAC

Commems-Collection-Classic:-1928-Oregon-Trail-Memorial
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
Bedrock of the Community
United States
19147 Posts
 Posted 01/08/2022  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
One of my favorite commemoratives.
Pillar of the Community
United States
2228 Posts
 Posted 01/08/2022  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list
Thanks commems for the history. I live in Nebraska and there's a spot where you can still see the Oregon Trail wagon wheel ruts in the ground by Brule, NE. It's called California Hill.
Pillar of the Community
United States
5825 Posts
 Posted 01/08/2022  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
A interesting story and history about this series, thanks for bring it up.
Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
1557 Posts
 Posted 01/08/2022  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
Just to make it clear to myself. The mint did not give the coins of 1926-S and 1928 to ANA because of non-payment of the order to ANA?
CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
Learn More...
United States
12267 Posts
 Posted 01/08/2022  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
@Slerk: I'm sorry. I don't understand your question. The ANA did not have a role in the coin's production or distribution. Can you please clarify? Thanks!


Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
Valued Member
United States
116 Posts
 Posted 01/09/2022  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VictoryHighway to your friends list
My favorite comem. Would love to have a complete date/mint set of these.
Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
1557 Posts
 Posted 01/10/2022  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
@commems, I will try to formulate it differently. Why did the U.S. Mint keep these coins? Why didn't he immediately hand over these coins to ANA after the minting?
CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
Learn More...
United States
12267 Posts
 Posted 01/10/2022  06:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

Quote:
Why did the U.S. Mint keep these coins? Why didn't he immediately hand over these coins to ANA after the minting?

The Mint didn't release the 1928 half dollars to the Oregon Trail Memorial Association because they hadn't been paid for. By law, the Mint couldn't deliver the coins until they had received payment for them.

From the coin's authorizing legislation:

"That the coins herein authorized shall be issued only upon the request of the executive committee of the Oregon Trail Memorial Association, Incorporated, a corporation organized under the laws of the State of New York; and upon payment by such executive committee, for and on behalf of the Oregon Trail Memorial Association, Incorporated, of the par value of such coins..."

No payment = no coins! (The Association was having some financial difficulties at the time.)
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
Edited by commems
01/10/2022 07:28 am
CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
Learn More...
United States
12267 Posts
 Posted 01/10/2022  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

Quote:
@commems - are you aware of any evidence that an authorized selling committee of any other classic series type coin deliberated an effort to manipulate market rarity (and hence original issue price) by duplicating the 1928 Oregon Trail purchase then return strategy?

In short, "No." I'm not aware of other sponsors duplicating the Oregon Trail Memorial Association's "coin melt strategy" to retroactively create a rarity. (Who's to say what was discussed "off the record" by sponsors, however!)

However, the Oregon Trail Memorial, Arkansas Statehood Centennial, Texas Independence Centennial, Daniel Boone Bicentennial and, to a lesser extent. the Booker T. Washington and George Washington Carver-Booker T. Washington multi-year programs all included date/mint mark combinations with limited mintages to create a sense of "rarity." For example, only 2,100 half dollars were struck at each of the Mint facilities (P/D/S) in 1939 for the Arkansas Statehood Centennial program.

Of course, the 2x2 variety of the Alabama Statehood Centennial, 2*4 variety of the Missouri Statehood Centennial and the w/ Star variety of the US Grant half dollars all point to attempts at creating a scarcer version of the base coin to entice collectors to purchase additional coins.

I'm not aware of another commemorative program, however, that found itself in a situation similar to the Oregon Trail Memorial Association. Taking delivery of coins that were struck and dated five years prior is a unique scenario in the series - no other sponsor had to address such a scenario. Meeting with collector apathy for the previously-struck coins shouldn't have come as a huge surprise, especially considering that many collectors may have assumed that President Herbert Hoover's April 1930 veto of the Gadsden Purchase commemorative half dollar bill had put an end to all future US commemorative coins.

That said, there are multiple examples of the sponsor/distribution dealer manipulating the market (absent of coin melts) through the artificial creation of rarity which led to collector frenzy (and exploitation). Cases in point: Horace Grant and the 1936 Providence, Rhode Island Tercentenary half dollars, Howard C. Dunn and the 1934-38 Daniel Boone Birth Bicentennial coins and Thomas Melish with the 1936 Cincinnati Music Center half dollars. (Links to these stories are included below.)


Quote:
Let's use for example the 1936 Delaware Tercentenary Half. 25,015 coins authorized and minted, 4,022 returned and melted. Net distribution of 20,993.

What checks and balances were in place to prevent the Delaware Swedish Tercentenary Commission from requesting the 25,015 coins, returning say 20,000 of them and thus ending up with the rarest of the series type coin.


I'm not aware of much in the way of legislated "checks and balances" other than the Treasury/Mint could refuse to accept returns of coins and Congress did eventually put in place ordering limits to prevent sponsors from requesting unnaturally small quantities.

If the Mint refused to accept returned coins, it would limit the sponsor's options to: a) continuing their sales efforts (including discounted bulk sales to dealers) and/or b) releasing some number of their coins into circulation at face value. Neither creates an artificial "rarity" scenario the same as a coin melt, however. I also think that coin sponsor's were looking to maximize their profits from the sale of their coins and, unless a multi-year program was in play to take advantage of new found, perceived rarity, sending coins back to the Mint prematurely wouldn't be "good business."


For other of my posts on Sponsor/Coin Dealer Market Manipulations, check these out:

- 1936 Rhode Island Tercentnary and Horace Grant
- 1936 Cincinnati Music Center - Mintage Requests
- 1936 Cincinnati Music Center - Ephemera
- 1934-38 Daniel Boone Birth Bicentennial Notes
- 1930 Gadsden Purchase Veto


Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
Pillar of the Community
United States
7189 Posts
 Posted 01/10/2022  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
I'm up for a re issue Oregon trail half dollar in 2026.
Moderator
Learn More...
United States
188213 Posts
CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
Learn More...
United States
12267 Posts
 Posted 01/11/2022  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
@ALL: Thanks for engaging in the discussion. Much appreciated!


Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1772 Posts
 Posted 01/12/2022  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list
Thanks commems, I was also not aware of the delay in issuing the 1928s. It always seemed odd that there was a 2 year break followed by a 5 year break.
Page 2 of 2   Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 2,763Next Topic Page 2 of 2
First Page  Showing last 15 replies.
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.4 seconds to rattle this change. Forums