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1797 Cartwheel Penny

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 Posted 01/29/2009  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
Thanks...it's actually much nicer in hand too.
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 Posted 01/29/2009  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AuldFartte to your friends list
That is a terrific old Cartwheel! Looks great
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 Posted 01/29/2009  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Very nice coin.
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 Posted 02/01/2009  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
Very nice! Would you say that is a VF or an EF?
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 Posted 02/01/2009  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
I was guessing a VF due to details on the shield, but I'm sort of unfamiliar with these coins.
It's actually better looking in hand because the lens picks up every blemish.
Not bad for $6, eh?
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 Posted 02/01/2009  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
Actually, is this the same size as the regular pre-decimal penny?

If so... then wow! I want one!
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 Posted 02/01/2009  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list
David, this is quite larger than the later predicimal penny series.
It's 36mm and 28.35 grams, and is quite impressive in hand.
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 Posted 02/04/2009  8:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mAnD to your friends list
I always want a huge coin like this. I guess people at that time must have a huge wallet/purse when going shopping
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 Posted 02/04/2009  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuickSilver to your friends list
Was it made that big so that the value of the metal content equaled the face value?
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 Posted 02/06/2009  01:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
QuickSilver- actually these were only made for that one year since the bullion value was actually greater than the face value. They were made so large and heavy so that people would accept them rather than the small, silver pennies that had been circulating up until this point.
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 Posted 03/20/2009  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brissyboy to your friends list
WpgLwr wrote: Question: These were only made the one year, right? Seems like every one I see is 1797. There were tuppences too, weren't there?

Yes there were the larger and heavier tuppences (2d) of 1797.

I think they struck these coins for a few years all bearing the date 1797. But don't quote me on that.

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 Posted 03/20/2009  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list
Brissyboy- yes there were large 1d and 2d coins of this type dated 1797. These were actually made for a few years but all had the date of 1797.
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 Posted 03/26/2009  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add greeniejim to your friends list
In 1797, during the reign of George III, the Cartwheel Twopence piece was struck by Matthew Boulton at the Soho Mint.

This is by far the largest base metal coin issued in the UK, weighing two ounces (56.7 g) and measuring 41 mm diameter and 5 mm thick. On the obverse is a portrait of George III facing right, with the inscription GEORGIUS III D G REX, while the reverse shows Britannia seated facing left, holding an olive branch and trident, with BRITANNIA above and 1797 below.
The weight means that the coin is very susceptable to edge knocks.
The coin was found to be too heavy for regular use, and no more copper or bronze twopence coins were struck until decimalisation in 1971.

There are many late strikes made by Matthew Boulton in a variety of metals, and further ones made by W.J.Taylor when he bought the dies in 1848. I believe that the chief way these later issues can be distinguished is by marks resulting from die corrosion. He also produced a pattern or patterns dated 1805 with a different design.

REF T. CLAYTON
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 Posted 04/09/2009  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Clive to your friends list
The cartwheel pennies and twopences did continue for a few years using the single impression from Matthew Boulton's steam press at the Soho Mint in Birmingham.

The coins weight was significant.. The penny weighed 1 ounce and the twopence 2 ounces. They were however not very popular because of their bulk.

They were produced at this weight to try and overcome the counterfeiting that was rife at the time.
A fairly common find with the metal detector but usually in poor condition, not surprisingly.

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