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The OP provided a link to the auction pictures, which are much better. It went for top dollar, to say the least. I'll crop out the PCGS grade in case you still want to guess:   Edited by pristine2
03/05/2022 09:22 am
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the link says this coin is PCGS graded at UNC details and its trueview photos so I'm confused
Slightly Lithuanian Zac, are you saying you would crack it out and resub to attempt to get a straight grade.
i kind of agree with Ty2020b. the obverse (when blown up) shows signs of a cleaning possibly lightly whizzed. looking close at the obverse right field you can see both vertical and horizontal hairlines overlapping
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the link says this coin is PCGS graded at UNC details and its trueview photos so I'm confused The photos I posted right above you aren't the trueviews, which are always deceptive. Heritage, wisely, never posts Trueviews without also posting its own pics, which are pretty much always honest. You may need to log in to see them. Edited by pristine2
03/05/2022 09:22 am
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To answer the OP's questions about re-slabbing and selling this coin: * In my view there's no point in re-submitting. Any TPG is going to recognize this coin as cleaned. The only different grade it might fetch is AU (cleaned), because one can see very faint signs of wear. * It's perfectly fine to use the Heritage auction photos to sell this coin. It is not fine at all to use Trueview photos. * I'm afraid that at $504 you've probably over-paid. It's unlikely you could get that selling it on ebay even using the trueviews. In fact the only way you could conceivably get that for it is if you break it out of the slab, use the trueview pics, and then feign ignorance about how it graded. Some might miss the cleaning and the tiny wear spots and conclude MS-64 or MS-65. That's unethical, but you could pull it off. * It is a pretty coin many would like to own, so the best strategy would be to hold on to it for awhile and let it appreciate. |
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The OP's coin and the heritage auction coin are two different coins. The HA coin has a scratch by star 11, and the OP's coin has a die crack around the legend.
The OP's coin looks AU Details Wizzed. The wizzing creates artificial luster, but upon closer inspection, the surfaces aren't original.
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The Heritage link coin and the OP coin appear not be the same coin? Was the Heritage link provided to show what a UNC Cleaned example looks like?
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The Heritage link coin and the OP coin appear not be the same coin? You're right. I was fooled for a second by the little dig near the shoulder on the obverse, but they are not the same shape and not in quite the same place. The whole thread is suspect. |
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Not the same coin as OP's images.
Let's put that aside for a moment.
OP coin is struck from dies with issues (cracks, pitting) -- the toning is nice with some pullaway from the stars -- I do not see any evidence (from photos) that it was whizzed. Was it dipped once and has since retoned? Maybe. Wiped? Possibly. But in the absence of noticeable hairlines or much sharper photos I'd be reluctant to call the coin "whizzed" off OP's photos alone. Let's not confuse cleaning or dipping with whizzing.
That being said,
The photos do look a bit soft (un-sharp or out of focus). This is a trick used by sellers to hide hairline scratches and evidence of surface disturbances. That may or may not be the case here, but there are a couple of small divots on the obverse.
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03/05/2022 1:10 pm
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The coin from heritage is indeed not my coin. The link was used as an example to see whether or not it was worth it to submit - regardless of the details grade for resale purposes. The photos were taken by me and I purchased this coin nearly 2 years ago for $210. here are some additional photos:   |
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Unc details altered surfaces I'd say, looks like the fields have been whizzed for sure, lot of metal movement that doesn't appear to be flow lines.
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The second set of photos definitely look wizzed. Wizzing a coin would not produce noticable hairlines, but smooth surfaces and create a false luster that almost looks natural from a distance.
This would certainly get a details grade, especially because it is a drastic change of the original coin.
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 altered surfaces look more prominent in these photos |
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Right, the cleaning is evident in these images.
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03/05/2022 7:00 pm
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From your second set of photos AU Details Altered Surface. I have the coin value if graded at around $150. There is no upside in sending in the coin for grading. Putting the coin in a AU Details holder may hurt the resale.
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