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Valued Member
Canada
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At least millions were melted, if not billions. Very unfortunate.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Sovereigns (and 20 Franc coins) are good for stacking fractional bullion.
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Pillar of the Community
 Italy
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@numis, some of the sources I watch/read report lower prices from U.S. LCSs and dealers on foreign gold. If you have sold, has this been your experience?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: You can see the numbers in Secretary of the Treasury Annual Report, this page is from 1891, I would imagine other countries have reports that are published similar to the USA. I am fascinated that they kept accounting all the way through to print for eight 20cent and 2 3cent 
Edited by Collects82 05/18/2022 4:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Definitely foreign gold costs less from US LCS and bullion dealers.
I have been hearing of an increase in Mexican gold premia in the US, but do not know for certain. It was once a consistent source of gold near melt.
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Pillar of the Community
 Italy
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Hello everyone,
I started two similar threads to this one about 90% and silver dollars. I obviously enjoy the topic.
This week, at a coin shop in Rome that deals heavily in gold coins, the owner told me €2300 was the melt point for him and his entire inventory went to the melting pot.
By my rough estimate, it was about 5-6 oz of gold. Notably, a heavily circulated 1873 p $20 gold piece, an 1846 p ex jewelry heavily polished $5 gold piece, a few modern bullion sovereigns, an 1813 m Napoleon gold piece, a 1968 Yugoslavian commemorative gold piece, a french rooster, and a few common date swiss coins...
His premiums are usually 3ish % and he melts below spot.
R.
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Pillar of the Community
Portugal
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The sovereign in your original post here seemed fake. No loss in melting.
Things are going to the foundry here too and the people there say they don't even bother checking. Assume what they receive has already been picked.
Gold price has caught up with collector interest in anything not rare. But dealers are only melting to make money for more buys. They are still holding large inventories in the expectation that price will keep rising. That is what I see here.
When price tumbles some two hundred euros, that is when many tons will go fast to the foundries. It will be a good time for picking up good coins. But very short.
Dealers may be right holding to inventories this time. With the fast loss in status of the two old economic spaces with the trade currencies gold may never again fall that much in euros or dollars.
Edited by jecz79 09/26/2024 8:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I check my local buyer every month or two. Nothing great coming in, just junk and bullion coins. Which is what I sell him.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I know dealers are melting all the foreign fractional gold they're getting in and not reselling it, especially British Sovereigns and 20 Franc coins.
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: I know dealers are melting all the foreign fractional gold they're getting in and not reselling it, especially British Sovereigns and 20 Franc coins. 
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Pillar of the Community
 Italy
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Just a quick update on this thread, which still interests me... Two weeks ago, I stopped by a local shop that deals in gold coins (mostly buying). The shop had about 50 Elizabeth sovereigns, some Austrian ducats, swiss francs, and a Mexican 50 peso. It was all melted last week. They don't have a single coin.
Made me wonder if Elizabeth sovereigns will ever become less common...I have three only just because they were a good entry level gold coin, but I'd happily trade them out into a large coin.
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Moderator
 United States
187862 Posts |
Quote: Two weeks ago, I stopped by a local shop that deals in gold coins (mostly buying). The shop had about 50 Elizabeth sovereigns, some Austrian ducats, swiss francs, and a Mexican 50 peso. It was all melted last week. They don't have a single coin.  Quote: Made me wonder if Elizabeth sovereigns will ever become less common...I have three only just because they were a good entry level gold coin, but I'd happily trade them out into a large coin. 
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Pillar of the Community
Portugal
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Quote: Two weeks ago, I stopped by a local shop that deals in gold coins (mostly buying). The shop had about 50 Elizabeth sovereigns, some Austrian ducats, swiss francs, and a Mexican 50 peso. It was all melted last week. They don't have a single coin.
Made me wonder if Elizabeth sovereigns will ever become less common...I have three only just because they were a good entry level gold coin, but I'd happily trade them out into a large coin. See it here also. With prices unstable dealers must lock gains or avoid losses. They will sell for spot value, better than the foundries pay. But you must be fast. All not rare stuff is going to the foundry quickly when price is risky. Elizabeth sovereigns are common. You could buy by the hundreds a few years ago at any european bank. Mint new. Fewer banks deal with them but they are available. This most common coins, bullion coins, are traded not molten. The older or less recognizable coins are the ones made into bars. The sovereigns are traded as bullion.I do not believe the foundry buying those Elizabeth sovereigns will melt them.They will sell them against as bullion someplace else. Francs, pesos, ducats, dollars. Not as well known here, those end molten. Tiny bars and tiny coins are popular now. Sovereigns are starting to be less popular because expensive as a unit. Bigger coins forget it, buyers want bars. It is the way of the world now. Perhaps people are unaware of how many fake bars are being made?
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Pillar of the Community
 Italy
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@jecz, I think our experiences are different, but I trust your experience in Portugal.
I don't think a bar is saleable here. I have seen exactly four for sale in 4+ years here.
I believe sovereigns are being melted here. Nearly all are ex jewelry or dinged or polished or worn ... As bullion they're better melted as no one is paying a premium. Shops buy for 20% back and can't sell at 5% back.
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Pillar of the Community
Portugal
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Perhaps I am wring and some foundries are melting. But I have heard that the sovereigns are being spared in the foundry here. No small bars there? Here I see them appearing for sale in shops that used to sell only coins.
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