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1874-CC T$1 Trade Dollar

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 Posted 06/06/2022  01:56 am  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
C-20 looks close, but I don't think the date position or the reverse matches exactly. I'm still not convinced about authenticity, but I could certainly be wrong. I will be interested to see new photos when you get the coin in hand.
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 Posted 06/06/2022  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
for such a higher end AU or MS coin it looks quite dull. again this can be from the photos as well the blue cast which was already discussed. I'm looking really close at the highest points on this coin and I'm not finding any signs of circulation.

I'm going with MS62 possibly cleaned. as for authenticity, I'm leaving that to the experts on these unless its a glaring fake
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 Posted 06/09/2022  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
This came in. In hand it looks well struck from EDS dies. Any further thoughts? Thanks!

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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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 Posted 06/09/2022  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
After viewing the latest set of photos, the coin appear genuine with the reverse C-20 die. I am at AU58, but I an not seeing much wear. The only reason that I am sticking to AU58 is that I am not seeing any cartwheel luster. There is upside in getting the coin graded. If you do decide to get it graded, please post the results.
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 Posted 06/09/2022  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Based on your new pics, authenticity looks pretty good. I'd say at least AU-58, possibly mint state. Although I still wouldn't take a chance on a raw Trade dollar. What are those tiny lumps on the obverse field next to the wheat?
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 Posted 06/09/2022  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list
I'll say AU-58 as well looks good though if luster is good she maybe MS- maybe 62 . I would have raw Trade dollars tested on a sigma tester though. Even know this looks legit .
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 Posted 06/09/2022  3:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
The new photos lacking contrast, so is tough to give a proper grade, high AU-MS, agree this is struck from a EDS die.

I certainly don't know much about this series, preferred mine to have chop marks because the history involved in it.
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 Posted 06/09/2022  3:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list

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After viewing the latest set of photos, the coin appear genuine with the reverse C-20 die


Agree and the obverse has the C-20 die marker as well.

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 Posted 06/09/2022  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list
Thanks Dave700x! Am I pointing to the right place in the subject coin? Awesome, I can see the marker clearly with the loupe.

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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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06/09/2022 4:24 pm
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 Posted 06/09/2022  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
AU 55 to 58 with a couple of baths in the blue pool over the years. Still market acceptable with a straight grade.
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 Posted 06/09/2022  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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AU 55 to 58 with a couple of baths in the blue pool over the years.


I agree. Not to be a party pooper but this one has surfaces far enough from original to detail it as altered.
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 Posted 06/10/2022  01:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
And yet I am interested to look at the photos without the reverse . In the sunlight.
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 Posted 06/10/2022  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list
I think it'd straight grade mis to high au, they let a lot of the overdipped Trade dollars through from what I've seen
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 Posted 06/10/2022  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
i originally called AU58 or MS62. I'm at AU58 looking at the new photos. I'm not seeing any original surfaces to indicate that the coin was not circulated
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 Posted 06/10/2022  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list
I do not see how this does not straight grade with second set of pics. Nice coin.
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