Quote: For me is funny to do a fake on IKE which it is not an top price coin. They do, they do and many collectors will like to have an fake instead of an original which could be harder to have.
Fake Ikes - the true rarities. That could open up a whole new world of possibilities for us Ike collectors.
If a coin is plated with nickel, it could be slightly attracted to a magnet. But not like a steel cent that jumps to a magnet. So if it jumps to a magnet, it maybe a steel coin. The surface could be rough if they cast the coin in sand: But the reeds would not look normal on a cast coin: So I'm leaning more towards a plated coin on the coin. (plating turns the coin into a spender)
CoopHome: Counterfeit detection? What could have happened? plated coins are just face value coins as the original surface was removed
Altough as @Mr.silviosi said Indonesia is the portal for the counterfeit coin. The counterfeit is real.
By the way, I try to overlaying this Ike with Peace dollar. It's my coriousity based on some slight marks that is appears on the surface of this Ike.
Though there is a lot of unussual things on this Ike, the wieght is only 19.81g (my thought is it was using old Peace dollar coin, by removing the image, and that's why this Ike loose his weigh) and this Ike attracted to magnet.
Based on the overlaying image, I assume this 'counterfeit' has the Peace dollar pattern If it's was Pareidolia the pattern will not connect to the other area.
How about the reverse? I just found very fine mark on the reverse. Some mark of 'E' from WE on the observe of Peace dollar. The position in under the eagle tail.
Once again, it is just my assumption. This coins loose his weigh because someone using the old Peace dollar coin. And have to erase the image so only small pattern still left.
Maybe it's sounds stupid or silly. My apoligize for all of you gentlemen. Maybe my theory is the most ridiculous theory ever.
@JTCC, with all my respect. If it was Pareidolia, the pattern of the eagle beak and the neck lines will not connect with other area. Please see the last image i,ve posted above.
The other area is the olive's leaf part and the eagle's claw.
About why is attracted to magnet. I just want to confirm about this youtube channels, This gentlemen, showing he test walking liberty dollar, barber using magnet.
Solo, in some cases the Ni, Cu stick to magnet. the Au (gold) and Si (silver) also can stick to magnets according to theirs alloy composition. Silver and Gold attract by the magnet is use more in goldsmith production. Example: Blue Gold is Gold and Iron alloy so will stick to magnet. Same with silver with Iron alloy use main for table wares, will stick with magnets. In theory all metals could stick with magnets. In fact the electromagnetic field EMF is present everywhere in this planet. Other example: An 10 feet vertical 1mm Cu wire which is not de-oxygenate at the bottom will give you 2 to 5 V electricity due to EMF.
PS.: In the case of IKE production, well documented, was use pure? (99.99%) silver and cooper who come direct from an US mine. So the IKE must not stick. this it is the case of Silver. The Ni clad use pure Ni from an Canadian mine, so no alteration on alloy. Was use Canadian mine because that mine has the nickel and cooper together, so easy to perform the clad. Hope help.
Quote: PS.: In the case of IKE production, well documented, was use pure? (99.99%) silver and cooper who come direct from an US mine. So the IKE must not stick. this it is the case of Silver. The Ni clad use pure Ni from an Canadian mine, so no alteration on alloy. Was use Canadian mine because that mine has the nickel and cooper together, so easy to perform the clad. Hope help.
Thank you for your patience sir. By the way, most of my coins I bought on ebay store sir, altough I know it will cost the shipping and add the import taxes.
There's also some coins I bought in local store.
Many thank's for all comments and for transfering all the knowledge. To: jbuck, Spence, silviosi, coop, Dearborn, JTCC, merclover, CentSation, cladboy, Coinfrog, nss-52.
Dear all... I would like to thank you for your assesment and advice.
Just want to share the result of this Ike. I have check this using XRF and the result is this Ike made from Cobalt. So it is clear to me and answer all my question after all.
You do not have to apologize for nothing. You do IMHO a great job and also here we learn a lot. You put a lot of effort and patience and also logistic. Congrats !
You learn and us also. This it is this hobby and our community.
Now: By the XRF results I can tel you was done in your country by, according with my sources. I do not know where they are but the work is similar with the group from Shanghai which was dissemble by the authorities there and others fleet in your country. Same pattern, same flows of coins. I know is sad for the reputation of your flag, but it is what it is.
If you go ahead like this, very soon you will be a big expert there. And I wish this for you.
My great respect for you Mr. Silvio. I've followed the thread by Mr. Rocky where is you share your knowledge there. Many things I have learned in this hobbies.
Challenging, we learn to be extremelly carefull judging on something. And I believe if I want to learn from others the result will not dissapointed us.
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