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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've noticed that our local coin dealer gets sloppy from time to time. In the "common" Morgan dollar bin ($18/each) I found an 1899-P in F-12. I bought it and later sold it to a different dealer for $125. So it pays to cherrypick sometimes and to me, that's kind of fun. Sidenote: before anyone questions why I sold it to another dealer, I had listed it on here in the buy/sell section for about that same price recently and no one wanted it, so I got what I was looking for from a different dealer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
781 Posts |
I've had similar experiences with dealers who didn't know what they were selling. thinking he was simply selling old, obsolete, demonitized coins for just over face (since it was now "worthless), he unknowingly sold me a bunch of .500 silver composition coinage. arm yourself with knowledge and you can take advantage of those who would otherwise take advantage of you. "canis canem"
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
3831 Posts |
Congratulations. Good luck finding more awesome coins. 
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New Member
United States
27 Posts |
I absolutely depend upon the US market disregarding world coinage. Last night I finished cataloging a small lot of world silver bought from an on-line auction house, had to pay more than melt value but received twice the price in catalog value. There was one coin which I already have, so it will be sold, probably for half the auction cost. One man's penny is another man's dollar.
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Valued Member
United States
259 Posts |
I wouldn't be so hard on the dealer based on that experience with bulk world coins.
I tried just a few days ago to sell about 14 pounds of world coins I had purchased for $5 to $9 a pound from various internet sources and none of the several dealers I went to would give me anything at all for them. So I went away completely empty handed.
There is a foreign currency exchange place near me that offered me $1 a pound for them. They just buy in bulk and operate more like a pawn shop. As I sifted thru the coins found a 1893 Canada five cent worth maybe $25 that I had overlooked. I pocketed it and took their offer of $1 a pound. I don't expect these dealers to sift carefully through a large bulk lot of coins to see if maybe there's a valuable coin in there before making their offer.
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Moderator
 United States
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I deal with a dealer in AZ. from time to time and have seen people bring coins in for evaluation and after eavesdropping on their conversation, could see he is grossly underpaying these folks for their coins. I didn't care for his low balling, well, to make a long story short, I noticed a 1914-S Lincoln in VF on top of a stack of 1918-S Lincolns (which were AG-G coins for $1 ea.), he put the 14-S with the 18-S's. The 14-S had $1 on it. The rest is history 
swcoin.ecrater.com
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I was in the antiques and collectibles business for a few years and with the variety of items that we sold, we did the best we could with quick research and pricing. There were items that we knew were valuable and those items were priced accordingly for the marketplace. But with all the different items that were antiques or collectible, there is no way to be an expert in every area. The same would apply to coin dealers. When you purchase (for resale) hundreds or thousands of coins (circulated, uncirculated, commemoratives, foreign, etc.), bills, tokens, ephemera, and whatever, things are going to slip by. Certain things are going to be obivous, and there are going to be things that look interesting and you research those. But, a day is only so long and you have to look after customers, answer the phone, put out stock, and move product to pay your bills. When a customer bought something from me that they got at a "steal", I wasn't upset. I knew that that customer would be back and would spend more time in the store looking for another deal. I would rather have customers in my store buying than to have tons of stock priced at catalogue prices and no one buying it. Just my 2 cents worth  Oh! This was my 100th post 
Edited by ikandiggit 02/15/2009 2:32 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
1077 Posts |
Personally I don't think it's about whether or not he was an expert on those coins. Or had the time to find out. It was about him being given one individual coin and asserting it wasn't worth anything. He should have said, "I'm sorry I don't know" or better still "Let me look that up for you".
Fair enough that he can't be an expert on all coins, but he should not when asked directly, value something that he didn't have a clue about as worthless just to try to come across as some sort of expert.
Just my opinion.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1166 Posts |
I agree 
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10284 Posts |
Quote: As he literally threw the coin from his left hand to his right and back, tossing the coin about while he was speaking. I have sweat bullets just a few times after making this mistake. I never hand a coin to anyone out of packaging if it is collectible. Anything can happen in just a couple seconds from spinning the coin on a counter to rubbing it on a pants leg to shine it up. Dealer or not, it can happen at any time. Made me feel like handing a monkey a hand grenade the first couple times and then I was cured.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote:A week later that same coin sold on ebay for $119. (Mission complete.  )  Congrats--that's what makes collecting so fun, particularly for rare world coins that "slip through the cracks" at US dealers. I have found some inexplicable rarities in dealer stock, I mean $200+ coins staring at me in all their obviousness for only $2-5 apiece. And, I once erred by telling a dealer what I found--after purchasing. Don't do this-- ever, because you'll be marked for life. 
Edited by DVCollector 02/15/2009 3:51 pm
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Valued Member
United States
259 Posts |
I'd be inteested in knowing what the coin was. Then we can see whether the dealer was being uneasonable. What with shill bidding, assistance of confederates etc., the fact something sells for $119 on ebay doesn't prove anything at all. So what was the coin? And was yours the same year and in the same condition as the one that sold on ebay?
Edited by chasinva69 02/15/2009 5:32 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
1729 Posts |
My local dealer runs a coin shop for fun. Sifting through a hundred pounds or so of foreign coins isn't fun for him, so he lets a few of us local yokels do it; we buy in bulk @ $6.50 and sell them back @ $5.00 after we've picked over them. I know for a fact that my last three lots were picked over by more than one other collector, and I still found several coins worth close to ten bucks each in each lot. Oh, and each time I go into the shop I buy supplies or several coins that go directly into my collection, giving him a larger cash flow and me coins that I want for no shipping charges or ebay hassles. It's a win-win situation for both of us, not to mention the fact that he allows local school kids to sift through his box of world coins, thus cultivating new collectors.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Quote:So what was the coin? And was yours the same year and in the same condition as the one that sold on ebay? I made a thread on the coin in the grading section to make absolutely sure that I posted the correct grade on ebay. It was a Palestine 20 mils 1941 coin, In VF condition. Since today is sunday and tommorow is a holiday, I'll be shipping it off to the buyer (Not someone on this forum) in about two days, It's hard to let the coin go though, considering it's my very first "Big find" (And hopefully not the last), But the second foreign coin bag I'm planning to get as a result will be worth it. 
Edited by JOE 02/15/2009 9:42 pm
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Valued Member
United States
259 Posts |
Well I've learned something. I had no idea a Palestine 1941 20 Mils was woth $119 in VF. (My 2006 Krause says $75, but still that's a valuable coin for a bulk coin lot). Now I'm gonna look thru my world coins again to see if I have any. I'm sure that dealer would have reacted differently if you showed him the Krause listing on the coin. Can't imaging he would have said "we get these in here all the time and they'e not woth anything." 
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