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Looking For A Bit Of Help With Examples For My "Smith" Effect Clipped Planchet Indicator

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 Posted 08/24/2022  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list
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Your larger clip definitely has the effect.
Once a fake clip is shown the difference will be more obvious.
If this were faked by cutting with a jewelry saw for example, the inside high point of the rim would have continued around to the cut and shown a sharp interior point. The obverse example from your coin shows a slight narrowing and the reverse actually rounds around at the clip. Both examples show the lack of metal to fill the rim but in different ways. Like I said, not seeing the sharp interior rim point opens the path to it being a mint produced error.

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 Posted 08/24/2022  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
STONE: I put here the first three. Photos over mean up the Observe and down the Reverse in opposite. And also I think the same effect could be see in OFF Centers.

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Thanks TB
Looking forward to them !
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Thanks silviosi!
Posting all four intersection points is great as the effect isn't always obvious at all of the four points but lends confirming evidence of a incomplete planchet when found.
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Stone I look now for the OFF Centers a few for moment. On clips I have others 10 post to do the photo crazy job for me IMO will be far a very good study and article to be publish and recognized. Hope not to much resistance from the coins vocabulary stubbornness.

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 Posted 08/29/2022  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list
Here is a 1923 Buffalo that isn't a clip but because of the "Smith effect" can be proven to be a incomplete planchet. The coin is so worn from circulation that the corresponding weakness on the reverse could be discounted as wear.
The thin green line on the last photo showes the shape of the effect on this coin.

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 Posted 08/30/2022  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list
I have an incomplete planchet clip like the one above to post later but for now I'll add this quarter to the Smith Effect files
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Excellent example !
Many Thanks!
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Thank you for your addition to the hobby. I think your explanation of this event is needed for additional confirmation. Sometimes when I see certain things I say maybe this happened at the mint. I'm not sure about this one but it looks like it has the Smith Effect also. Hopefully some new discoveries come from your insight
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I'm not sure on this one . There are some unexpectedly hard lines on this one. There doesn't seem to be the smooth transition I would expect to see. Almost like a struck through. Have you posted this before ?
The line in the bottom of the recess closest to the R is throwing me off .
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@Stonenan227. I take a lot of pictures of stuff and don't always get the obverse reverse. I was going through some pictures looking for clips and saw this with a bunch of other things. There was no obverse reverse so I'm not sure if I posted this before. The incomplete planchet is the same. No obverse reverse pictures and it's not here with me to take any. I do have this straight clip from a nickel but again no obverse reverse
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 Posted 08/30/2022  3:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list
From this closeup it does have the hallmarks of a incomplete planchet including the edge effect. Nice !
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Thanks Stoneman227. Does this one have it? I'm thinking your observations may apply to more than just clips
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 Posted 08/30/2022  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list
From the photos I can't quite tell what's going on . The reeding on the edge appears to be there and the field at the edge of the anomaly seems normal.
Adversely there doesn't seem to be any buldges of displaced metal to indicate damage. Not sure about this one.
I normally use this edge effect for evidence to confirm the id of a anomaly. Here , I'm not sure of the anomaly
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