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2022 2022 D Wilma Mankiller Crescent Shaped Improperly Annealed Quarter

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 Posted 08/27/2022  11:51 am  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list

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FRED WEINBERG: AND every single non-error has the same dark color on the reeded EDGE of the coin.


This coin has discoloration/dark color on the reeded EDGE where the darkened area is on the face which according to what Fred Weinberg mentioned should indicate it is not an error coin but happened somehow afterwards. I'm just giving an opinion based on the information provided by others but your welcome to get their opinion directly also or a TPG. It is interesting and worth investigating further since the modern coin minting process is handing out several new findings.
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08/27/2022 12:29 pm
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 Posted 08/27/2022  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list
Thanks Coop. Yes these came from original rolls and all but one I've posted did also. I haven't sent any in yet but plan to
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 Posted 08/27/2022  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list
Thanks Datadragon. I'm not seeing darkened areas on these or any of the other coins. I'll put some more convincing photos together in a few
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 Posted 08/27/2022  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list

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Thanks Datadragon. I'm not seeing darkened areas on these or any of the other coins. I'll put some more convincing photos together in a few


Sure, this is what I see - discoloration on the reeded edge where it should have no discoloration - the copper core should show a nice normal red color if it were an error based on the info given by others.

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08/27/2022 12:03 pm
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 Posted 08/27/2022  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list
Thanks for the pick up point Coop and Datadragon. All the coins have the darker copper color diagnostic. So like a black beauty nickel a black beauty quarter will have a noticeably darker edge
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08/28/2022 12:38 am
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 Posted 08/28/2022  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
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FRED WEINBERG: AND every single non-error has the same dark color on the reeded EDGE of the coin.

When Fred say this was at one ANA conventions back few decades. Him talk about annealing and other Mint errors and in same time Ken give an conference about toning , rainbow toning and fake toning.

Data took just a small part of what him say without look at all content.

Is correct to be nice red color when the core is new. In the case of the Delaware quarter, the color is correct for an aging cooper. Here you has to be very careful, the color. Heat after strike give a color which the cooper will never rich in normal conditions. Best way to see a cooper which was heat is the dark brown color with some nuances of blue petroleum.

The cooper colors are upon the time: red, red-light brown, dark red-light brown and brown.

Hope help you.

PS: If is fake annealing, the nickel on the rim will have same color with the rest of the nickel and not white. is what Jeff talk about, the nickel.
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08/28/2022 02:03 am
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 Posted 08/28/2022  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list
Thanks Silviosi. The info helps a lot. Besides being a mint error the over annealing process leads to extremely well struck high grade coins with amazing luster. Thanks to all for helping to put this puzzle together
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 Posted 08/28/2022  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
I found the original thread finally where I had taken the notes from. It was 2017 not from long ago. https://www.cointalk.com/threads/20...ling.307775/ I know improperly annealed planchets are difficult at times to identify properly. It appears that if the edge of the coin exhibits its true clad layers and their normal color, and does not show any signs of environmental damage on those layers, meaning that it doesn't appear to be the same coloration of the changed obverse or reverse surfaces, then there is a possibility it's a true Improperly annealed planchet which is what I was adding to the discussion. In that event you can proceed with either talking to an expert or going to a grader. This info should help eliminate some of the typical environmental damaged coins that people post.
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08/28/2022 2:21 pm
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 Posted 08/28/2022  2:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list

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The cooper colors are upon the time

Copper color. LOL
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 Posted 08/28/2022  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list
If the information is misinterpreted or applied incorrectly then the resulting conclusion is flawed and incorrect. I've read all this info before and multiple times so I have a good grasp of what exactly is being said. The reason I say this is because the info applies to more coins that I've posted that were said to be questionable. Striation lines appear on all the coins that were in question. We should now know they are all mint errors. To be specific the ones with over heated planchets have a darker colored copper core than a normal quarter and striation lines are part of that mostly if not always. These should no longer be in question in my eyes. The diagnostics are there
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Thanks again Datadragon and Coop. There are many coins that people ask about that are clearly environmental damage. The thing I've been saying is that these are not. Some agree and some don't. I appreciate everyone's input regardless
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 Posted 08/28/2022  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list
@RW1010, Appreciate all the images and time explaining your findings. You will find others that have posted the same thing https://www.cointalk.com/threads/20...tern.394386/ so clearly with all these coins having the exact same issues it needs to be looked at closer to being a mint issue or something commonly happening in the processing after coin production to have so many examples. Its unfortunate that at this time there is no complete agreement among those whom we might usually turn to in hopes to answer such questions but the more info and photos, the more likely an answer will come.
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08/28/2022 2:51 pm
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 Posted 08/28/2022  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RW1010 to your friends list
Thanks Datadragon. Nice coins. I think it's a mint error that everyone doesn't recognize yet unfortunately. Maybe because they haven't seen them before or for whatever reasons. It's not a new type of error so I don't know. Somewhat rare but there are graded examples so the info is out there
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 Posted 08/28/2022  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@Data: long time I do not was on cointalk.com. I read this explanations time ago. Also was a part of his exponential to the conference. I will look in my database to find the conference film is very interesting because touch many aspects of this branch of collecting and errors.

@COOP: Yes the Cu change the colors upon the time. Also in air tide or seal slabs will change. Cu is second best metal for electrical and temperature accumulations and transfer. Just changes of temperature will change the color. Is no way to stop this long term processes.

@RW: Those annealing coins are Mint Error. Yes not everyone's can recognize those on the spot. More education must be done, and like this all those who fake them will be lost in the wild.
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Thanks Silviosi. It may be that once they enter circulation and the luster is gone they look like environmental toning instead of what they really are. It's hard to tell when the surface is all one color and they have additional staining
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