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1879 O Morgan Grading Thoughts

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 Posted 09/07/2022  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Tough call. Not the best pics, can't get a good feel. Anywhere from 58 to 65 would not surprise.
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 Posted 09/07/2022  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericgreen to your friends list
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 Posted 09/07/2022  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list
Hard to see but not A fan of the toning.
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 Posted 09/07/2022  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
This is one of those kinda coins that the grade is dependent on who sends it in.

If an individual smuck commoner like us send it in it'll get an Unc details with questionable toning slab.

If the big auction house sends it in, it'll get 65+, gold labels and the "clean portrait and fields surrounded by gorgeous toning" descriptions when it hits the auction block.

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 Posted 09/08/2022  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dapperd to your friends list
Hard to see past the pitting on edges & fields. Loosely I would suggest anywhere from MS60 to MS63... Maybe better in hand ?
Personally I would not lose any sleep over not winning this one.
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 Posted 09/08/2022  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
It looks dull and lifeless. Probably an MS63 label in an old holder?
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 Posted 09/08/2022  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
im with IGE on this one. AU58 or MS64

the photos show a coin with not much luster however, it can be muted by the toning. in hand coin rotation would help. I've seen this look before with clean surfaces and they graded MS64 and some MS65 so this probably doesn't help at all
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 Posted 09/09/2022  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list
I agree with the comments made here. I was going to bid when it was sitting at $65 figuring it was a slider at worst. Bidding quickly escalated to $425 with the juice, so I was not close on this one. Apparently those bidding felt it was MS.
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 Posted 09/09/2022  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list
Might be MS, but it would be tough to take a chance on it without seeing it in hand.
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 Posted 09/09/2022  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list
Looks 65. Only one light hit on the cheek, and no obvious signs of rub. Toning is attractive.
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 Posted 09/09/2022  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list
58
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 Posted 09/10/2022  12:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LazerPig to your friends list
that is one ugly silver dollar
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 Posted 09/10/2022  01:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HP2001PH to your friends list
Agree!
And it will not be graded down because of it.

So: Ugly toning - grading disregards it, only judges surface condition.
Beautiful toning - grade gets a bump, sometimes significant (see recent threads with rainbow toned coins)

Makes no sense to me.
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 Posted 09/10/2022  05:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list
Under the toning it is frosty and undisturbed, not many contact marks. The strike is weak which makes it look worn. It is very easy to think AU58 when you combine weak strike with toning. I feel like this is an MS65.
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 Posted 09/10/2022  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dapperd to your friends list
Sold for $425 !...Really ?....As a long time collector of Morgans & Peace dollars, that's amazing. This 1879 New Orleans does not deserve that kind of respect IMO...ugly oxidized coin. Sucker born every minute....
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