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Britain's Most Exotic Sixpences - My Bodacious Birmingham Behemoths

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 Posted 12/16/2022  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oriole to your friends list
I'm envious that you a have a copper sixpence! I love large copper anything, and I have the Birmingham threepence, as well as smaller denominations. After finding out how rare the sixpence was, I resigned myself to not getting one.
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 Posted 12/16/2022  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wallyb to your friends list
Fascinating. So the intent was to fill a gap in the lack of lower denomination minted coinage?
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 Posted 12/16/2022  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list

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wallyb wrote: Fascinating. So the intent was to fill a gap in the lack of lower denomination minted coinage?

Absolutely, just as with the Conders in the previous century. But this time around it was the Peninsular Wars and the War of 1812 that were the chief distractions, fiscally and otherwise, for the Crown, not to mention the "Madness of King George" and the dissolute leadership of his son and Regent, the "Prince of Whales." There was very little interest -- and even less national progress -- in doing anything to lift up the working class...hence all the private and municipal workhouses, too!


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 Posted 12/16/2022  08:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list

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ijn1944 wrote: Excellent photos.

Thank you, ljn, for that mention. I've had the new iPhone for less than two weeks, so I haven't had much practice yet. Still have a lot to learn about lighting, as I can't seem to capture gloss, toning, lustre, etc.


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 Posted 12/16/2022  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list

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Oriole wrote: After finding out how rare the sixpence was, I resigned myself to not getting one.

Oriole, I thought that chasing a white whale or two was a requirement in our hobby! I can't even even count how many times I've been the high underbidder on some of the more elusive Dalton silver tokens, particularly the three extant 5/- crowns. You have my empathy, Oriole...


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 Posted 12/16/2022  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list
daltonista, this a superb collection of outstanding tokens. Your photography is perfect. Thank you for sharing these with us.
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 Posted 12/17/2022  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list
@daltonista, great read, great shots.
The copper looks good enough to eat, and that 147g sixpence....well that is just outrageous!
Thanks for sharing.

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 Posted 04/24/2023  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
I somehow missed this thread and saw that you put a link to it in the "Post Your United Kingdom (Great Britain) Coin Acquisitions" thread a few months ago. I was just browsing back as I wait for a hockey game to start. Wonderful read and quite the collection of rare and interesting tokens. Thanks for sharing these with all of us. I had seen the regular sized "for 40 tokens" previously but didn't know the backstory at all.
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 Posted 04/25/2023  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list

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westcoin wrote: I had seen the regular sized "for 40 tokens" previously...


You're probably referring to the silver 6d token, which is about the same size as the later regal sixpences (but a shade thinner/lighter). Same design elements were used on the copper 6d, but the shape of the Rx shield is quite different.
Here's one of mine:
Warwickshire, Birmingham Workhouse Sixpence Token. Dalton 22, Davis 19.
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 Posted 04/25/2023  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Yep that's the one I was thinking of...

P.S. Go Avs!
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 Posted 04/25/2023  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daltonista to your friends list

westcoin, I was hoping to show solidarity with my "Go Stars" chant...Texas and all. But you're a Colorado fan?

Getting a bit off-topic here, but I'm old enough to have seen many a Rangers game at the OLD Madison Square Garden (pre-Felt Forum days)! Became an Islanders fan primarily because their arena, the Nassau Coliseum, was about a half-hour drive from my family's home in Amityville. Later on in life, I was fortunate to have "deaned" for a decade at a Division I school in the ECAC...lots of great thrills on ice there!

This year, by happenstance, it turns out I'm a Devils fan...mainly because I have a niece whose significant other plays center for them, so we like to watch him (Nico) these days. Maybe I'll be able to convert him to exonumismatics someday!


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 Posted 04/26/2023  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list
Born in Texas and currently live there. However, I grew up in Denver and even had season tickets for the 1995 Avalanche premier and cup winning season (until I had to sell them due to a divorce, and right before the playoffs too). I can't stand any Texas sport team, though hockey, WEC and Formula1 are really the only sports I follow regularly. New Jersey Devils were the old and original Colorado Rockies NHL team, the one that the infamous Don Cherry coached. Used to go to games back in High School on $2.00 ticket nights - what a deal. So Devil are okay in my book too.

Sorry all, back to numismatics now.
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 Posted 08/24/2024  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Safi to your friends list
Absolutely amazing collection Daltonista, thought I would put this here, I don't know if it belongs, but it is a copper sixpence from Scotland called a Bawbee, issued during the reign of Charles the second, I didn't even know they did copper sixpences!!
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 Posted 08/24/2024  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
Yes, the Scottish made copper sixpences prior to the Act of Union. The reason was that inflation north of the border had run much higher than in England, so the two currencies were no longer interchangeable. I believe that in 1678 a Scottish sixpence (Bawbee) had the same buying power as an English Halfpenny, or even less.
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