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that cert # is currently listed with PCGS as a genuine coin.
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I'm lost but that seems to not take much in some of these posts...
Oldgrouchy, are you saying the Vermont RR13 is cast?
I did find the current auction and PCGS cert number for the Nova.
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01/03/2023 10:50 pm
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Burfle23: I showed the pics to an Expert (you know him) in Machins Mills and counterfeit Brit 1/2d; he agreed that this couldn't have been struck. Things just don't add up.
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01/03/2023 8:11 pm
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I agree things don't add up; are you referring to the R-13? And who is it that I know stated whichever one couldn't have been struck?
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01/03/2023 10:40 pm
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Sorry if I'm losing you; I was asked to provide an example of a TPGed counterfeit Colonial (besides the Nova Const.), and I have with the RR-13. I'm guessing not a sand cast for this one; maybe something modern. Don't think this one is contemporary to the times.
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01/03/2023 8:48 pm
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What are the Machin's Mills VT/CT coppers considered nowadays?
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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OK, interested in the story of how the RR13 was determined to be counterfeit!
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01/03/2023 10:41 pm
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paralyse: for this discussion, we are concerned with coins produced as copies, and not those accepted as struck imitations of contemporary circulating coinage
I asked my Friend the Expert about the rolling machinery at Machin's Mill, if it could have produced such planchet stock as this, be discovered in the basket and then being used for coining (would someone really use this as a planchet if he had seen it?), and would such a planchet survive being struck? His answers were No. He didn't want to "get into" its manufacture as seen... so: this is supposed to be a Perfect Die State. If struck, it is the only example seen in this dies state, or later, with bifurcated lettering. Many of the letters are very weak at the rim; again, not seen in struck examples of the die state, etc. The "O" in AUCTORI looks like it is mounded. If this coin were offered as being struck (and managed to not have exploded into pieces), the fissures are then analyzed. They do not have the appearance of being struck in the coin. We can start with that...
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01/03/2023 11:42 pm
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Posted the Nova in my Group and one of my C4 experts stated: "I don't think it is a sand cast - this looks genuine to me, with some time spent underground. The Nova Constellatios are often a bit brassy in color compared to US state coinages - but this one I suspect was cleaned after it came out of the ground, which accounts for the yellowish hue (or it could be that the photos just don't have the right color balance). It's dangerous to call something a cast without actually examining the coin in hand, and the person who made this claim has said the same about several other colonials, none of which appear to be cast to my eyes...".
And another long time (only 30+ years...) C4 member stated "It looks genuine to me. I see no evidence of it being a sand cast. Actually looks quite typical for these."
I also asked my EAC friend at Heritage of any conversations he had heard about the RR13 being counterfeit and he said he never heard any such claims.
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01/04/2023 07:45 am
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That's the exact argument I heard about my Higley-in reverse, and by "The Best In The Business". They couldn't have been more mistaken (and wouldn't admit it). I call 'em as I see 'em. The Nova looks as plated as some other Copper-plated-Brass items I've seen and owned (Antique machine parts, jewelry, etc.). It doesn't look "right", and if no one else sees what I do can't help that. Now, if someone can explain how the I2 of JUSTITIA can have its top half in a very corroded-looking area, and not be corroded as well, and that stubborn remnant of copper (I say it's plating) on the ray L1 CONSTELLATIO hasn't corroded away like it would have were it part of an original, struck coin, I'm all ears. It's the Little Things that people overlook, because they aren't looking for them
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01/04/2023 4:47 pm
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Ended no sale...  |
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The coin was reoffered, and has been pulled from the site before the end date
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I notified the auction house of possible concerns as well as my contact at the TPG... |
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Ha! They told me to just buzz off... I would really like to see it out of the holder, and wonder what its XRF alloy would be
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Maybe it's your approach...
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