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Pillar of the Community
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Lovely piece! I would like to see photos of the whole album if you are willing to share. Stuff like that in old albums can't be beat!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Pretty coin. I have one with almost identical obverse toning. I wouldn't have a problem with MS64.
What causes the pitting on the obverse bust? Rusty dies?
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Lovely piece! I would like to see photos of the whole album if you are willing to share. I don't mind at all. Will have to wait for natural light again to get pictures of the coloring. Seems I can't capture it really without it. I have posted a few others the past couple days. I did snap a quick of the 1872 which I think has the most impressive color. A lot in the album have old cleanings to them, but there are also some real gems that don't. 1872 would be one that had an old cleaning.  |
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This picture turned out pretty ok showing the color on these one, there are quite a few that are just dark like the 1837 too.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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my first thought was counterfeit when I saw all dots on the gown but I found several that had the same thing. gotta be die related. I saw those dots on the gown and right arm, and hadn't ever seen one like that. I thought maybe an old dip gone wrong. Spotting cleanings is one aspect of my game that needs improvement!  |
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I know someone who got ripped off when a coin store bought some morgans and a 1889cc was in there...they bought them for basically melt. Unfortunately this happens all-too often and has been going on for a very long time. A fair profit is one thing; all out greed is another! |
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United States
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So this was my favorite coin I submitted to PCGS, other than being a little dull, I really liked the look of it. Just got the grade back today and it came back UNC - details Altered surfaces. My guess is over dipped or something? Or am I missing something more obvious? I did reach out and ask if they could elaborate or let me know if conservation would help it etc, but I do not expect to learn anything beyond their "Altered surfaces" definition. Anyone have luck resubmitting or submitting elsewhere, or trying conservation? I should have it back by wednesday/thursday.
Thanks
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Pillar of the Community
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I doubt the customer service will be able to tell you anymore then that. They probably thought the tone was off. I like it... crack and resubmit.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Gets expensive re-submitting, but I'm guessing NGC will grade similarly.
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Valued Member
United States
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Here is the True View for this one. I really do not see what they are looking at. In looking at other MS 1870's on their site, they all have the same sort of frosty look and most have the same look on the gown. I think I will try sending it elsewhere instead.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
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here is what PCGS says
94 - Altered Surfaces An altered surface call will be made if PCGS discovers anything has been added to the surface of the coin to either "improve" its appearance or to cover marks, scratches or other surface damage.
i can find anything that would warrant a 94 as well. my best guess is that whomever graded this thought that the dots on the gown constituted surface damage and had no idea that it was die related. like I said I've seen this on other ones. I think PCGS got this one wrong
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I agree panzaldi, it's just kind of a pain when they don't take enough time to look into it or compare to others they've graded. Maybe if I just send it in at a higher tier like Express, they would take it more seriously. Honestly if it grades what I think it should, it would need to be express anyways. Or even try onsite grading for it.
thanks for the insights, always appreciated.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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if you're near a on-site grading show that may be the best option as it would give you a chance to maybe talk to a grader or at minimum talk to the on-site desk and ask them about the coin and if our thoughts on it hold water
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Pillar of the Community
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Here's more on code 94 https://www.PCGS.com/grades#grade94It's an image so I can't copy/paste the text and I'm too lazy to type it out. Note that they specifically discuss lacquer, so maybe that's it. I don't see it on your coin, but I didn't see it on one of my coins either. They're not the infallible service they claim to be, so perhaps submit it somewhere else like ANACS and pick their conservation service. PCGS graded my coin cleaned. ANACS removed the lacquer and straight graded it. Yours is a mid 4-figure coin in MS65 as I'm sure you know, and I certainly wouldn't be satisfied with not knowing what the heck they think is wrong with it. |
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