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What Causes This On A Nickel? Different Years.

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 Posted 03/18/2023  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
@ Khromtau It is no more tool that cut the blanks. Is use laser cut, so no more annealing for all the coins.
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 Posted 03/18/2023  8:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NEWmrMatic to your friends list
Thanks, @silviosi @Khromtau !! I put them aside. Here's a closer pic. The marks go all around the Coin. Sometimes skipping spots.
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03/18/2023 8:42 pm
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 Posted 03/18/2023  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
shrug, I always chalked those up as damage from some sort of machine
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 Posted 03/18/2023  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NEWmrMatic to your friends list
The rolling company may have a messed up machine. If every Coin is this way. I thought that, wasn't sure. Still not sure. You'd think they would have some sort of Inspection of coins post roll to make sure they aren't being damaged though.
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03/18/2023 10:08 pm
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 Posted 03/18/2023  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list
I do not think it is the rolling machine or counter machine. No one of those machine, mechanisms could live those traces. The first machine work by diameter and second one by weight. Here it is other thing.

For me those coins are very interesting ones. From 3 years I wait to see one as is. Hope I do not wait in vane.
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 Posted 03/19/2023  05:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list
silviosi, everything I find says blanks are still punched out on a blanking press, do you have any information on this laser cutting?
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03/19/2023 05:06 am
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 Posted 03/19/2023  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
I don't know the answer.
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 Posted 03/19/2023  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Khromtau to your friends list
I am confused too, on the US Mint website it says they are stamped out on a press. Maybe in Canada they use a laser?
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 Posted 03/19/2023  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
Whatever the cause...it's metal against metal during the minting of the coins and not PMD. Interesting!
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 Posted 03/19/2023  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list
The beveling along the top and bottom of each coin rim is normal. It's put on to help with seating and ejection in the striking chamber. It's also one of the first features to wear on a coin that's circulating so it's easy to miss.

The vertical lines on the edge of the rim are signs of a worn collar and are actually more common than many people think because we so rarely examine that part of cents and nickels.
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 Posted 03/19/2023  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NEWmrMatic to your friends list
@HGK3 I don't necessarily agree with that. These coins are hardly circulated as you may think. And the marks are more prominent on the reverse portion of the collar on 95% of the roll. These marks are not random wear from being circulated. Nearly the entire roll is like this, bright and shiny.
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03/19/2023 2:14 pm
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 Posted 03/19/2023  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list
Not sure where you got "random marks from circulation" out of my response and a don't know what you mean by "the reverse portion of the collar".

The vertical marks on the rim of the coins are from a worn collar, not from circulation. The collar is what holds the coin in place when the dies come together to strike the coin.

When the collar sustains wear, usually on it's top or bottom edges first due to ejection of the coin, that wear is transferred to a coin at striking in the same way reeds are transferred to a quarter or dime.

https://www.error-ref.com/collar-damage/

The link above will show you a much more severe example.


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 Posted 03/19/2023  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NEWmrMatic to your friends list
Ah, ok. Got it. Makes sense because these all came from the same mint. I thought you meant circulating wear. My mistake and apologies. Thanks! That really makes sense now. Does this diminish a coin if by chance one has an actual error?
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 Posted 03/21/2023  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list
I really don't think they laser cut blanks. That would take seconds to cut out one blank, where it takes a fraction of a second to punchout hundreds of blanks, and the cut marks would be numerous. I think these marks are as Khromtau says, tool marks from a dull punch press die.
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 Posted 03/21/2023  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Khromtau to your friends list
The more I look at it the more it looks like a worn collar issue and not a dull punch cutter, but I don't know for sure. I would think the metal moving around from upsetting the blanks and then striking the coin would mostly remove the sheared edge. It was an idea, but as stated, my opinion now is worn collar.
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