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1904 $20 Liberty Double Eagle XRF Results-Genuine?

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 Posted 04/07/2023  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thecoinguy1964 to your friends list
You got yourself a beautiful coin there, thanks for sharing & congrats!
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 Posted 04/07/2023  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lib9995 to your friends list
its awesome getting all of your opinions on it, here in australia not alot of people really deal in the pre 33 stuff. so I thought here would be the best place to ask :) I'm trying my best to get a little collection of the pre 33 stuff, it can be hard finding them here. Also I seen on the NGC website that the 1904 was highly counterfeit in real gold, so I started to doubt this coin, thats why I wanted to show you guys :)) lots of knowledgeable people here , which is great for newish guys like myself who love these old coins !
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 Posted 04/08/2023  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lib9995 to your friends list
thanks guys! so from your opinions safe to say ive got a genuine double eagle ! much appreciated :) being new to it all, I was worried it could of been a counterfeit made of real gold!
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 Posted 04/08/2023  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lib9995 to your friends list
different xrf machine result
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 Posted 04/09/2023  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Sweet, everything looks spot on! Congrats on the large gold coin! It is good that a local shop is able to XRF a coin for you, that is nice of them.
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 Posted 04/12/2023  05:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lib9995 to your friends list
Appreciate all the input guys!
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 Posted 04/12/2023  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
As an aside,
I bought a Double Eagle MS-61 in 2003 for US$ 395.
(Average inflation rate over the last 20 years according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics is 2.49%)
So, in theory, the coin should now have a value of about US $650.

So for lib9955:
Keep it for a few years, if you can.
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 Posted 04/14/2023  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lib9995 to your friends list
It's definitely in the keeper stack !
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What surprised me was the ruthenium in the coin. I knew platinum was a problem impurity in some gold mines in spanish america. Ruthenium is of the same group.
Is is a common impurity also in the gold used for coins?

Not saying I doubt the coin. I am just curious. I may try the gold shop with a friendly owner I have nearby and ask for a test on my eagles.
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 Posted 04/18/2023  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
XRF hand held instruments are not as sensitively accurate as many may think.
I note that the acceptability range for the particular instrument used in this case is in the range of 89.8% to 90.21% for the gold readout.
That is OK, to my way of thinking.

Ru could well show up in the analysis, but hand held instruments may well detect any element but the accuracy for some hand helds could well be in the range of about 0.2% to 0.4%, and still be acceptable for that particular instrument.

The other factor is to what degree of purity the refiners (or the MInt) wish to refine their gold, and still be acceptable to meet the required purity standards suitable for the gold coinage.
Other than make a general comment in this regard, I do not know enough in an accurate and absolute sense about US standards for acceptable purity of the gold.

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For really accurate atomic (and much more expensive) analysis, mass spectometry is needed.
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 Posted 04/23/2023  03:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lib9995 to your friends list

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Hey guys, I got it tested on a different xrf machine, these are the results. Lemme know what you guys think, I think looks ok
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 Posted 11/17/2023  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lib9995 to your friends list
ive xrf tested some various other pre 33 gold and they all are showing 0.3 of AG in the results
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 Posted 11/18/2023  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list
Ag is a carry over mining ore contaminant and Ru is a false positive.
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