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Julius Caesar Elephant 49Bc

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 Posted 04/09/2023  3:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephrg to your friends list
I will ask for a edge picture. May be worth taking a chance if he offers returns.
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 Posted 04/09/2023  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephrg to your friends list
this is the only picture I have Not the greatest image
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 Posted 04/10/2023  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add louisvillekyshop to your friends list
Given that the coin shows no hint of encrustation or dirt on the silver, if real, it has been in collections for a long time. So the person can easily tell you where they got it from and you can trace it back to the auction house etc. If they don't tell you, since the coin is sought after but not rare, it might be some eastern European find and they don't want to say that etc. Everyone offering one of these knows exactly where they go it.
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 Posted 04/10/2023  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add circusmax120 to your friends list
I heartily second the assessment of louisvillekyshop, and the advice of livingwater. Try your best to get whatever background you can. As long as the price is right and you can secure a money-back agreement with the Seller, by all means take the risk. Then spend a little more to have the coin inspected by a respected Authenticator. I wish and hope for, the best for you, my friend. Keep us posted!
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 Posted 04/14/2023  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephrg to your friends list
I received the coin today so can post more images.
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 Posted 04/14/2023  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add circusmax120 to your friends list
To my untrained eye, josephrg, I see nothing that would indicate to me that this coin is a fake. Is the weight acceptable? I would still spend a little extra for authentication.
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 Posted 04/20/2023  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amentia to your friends list
It is a bad and obvious pressed replica made by Petar Petrov, you can find them on ebay for sale as authentic by fake sellers or as replica by replica sellers and on Etsy as replica.

The pelica can be found in the catalogue of replicas of Petar Petrov (8.A _Catalogue_Roman_Denarius there number 203 A), there are many catalogues of his replicas he is very active.

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/144...ive_24&frs=1
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 Posted 04/20/2023  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add circusmax120 to your friends list
Again...I plead no expertise...but this OP coin is very different than the replica depicted in Amentia's post. The one detail I'm seeing in the original coin is the flattened high-spots exhibited on the reverse elements. Very suggestive of a hammering of the metal disc prior to a strike. The elements on the replica are low and weak, with the field surfaces appearing quite different than seen on the coin presented by josephrg. I look forward to getting a follow-up on this! Keep us in the loop, Joseph.

I am, however, appreciative of Armentia's contribution to this topic. Really awesome to see this back-and-forth. Thank you!
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 Posted 04/20/2023  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@jos, I know that you already posted on epic of the edge. That specific area looks fine, although perhaps a bit "squared off". On the fields, there appear to be flow lines from this piece being struck. Can you please confirm that there is not a parting line anywhere along the edge though? Thx.
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 Posted 04/20/2023  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list
I can't comment on the authenticity of this piece, but I've seen better elephant legs at kebab / gyro joints. Did whoever designed this coin ever see an actual elephant?
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 Posted 04/20/2023  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amentia to your friends list
It is a die match to a Fake from modern Hand Cut dies so it is 100% Fake.
The Edge/rim seems to be equally thick, which is typichally for pressed Fakes. No slippage or Double Strike and flat fields which is typichally for pressed Fakes.
Wear is artificially.
I understand that many think that they are experts and their opinion is important.
We live in a free world so ist is fine as Long AS it will Not harm anybody.
It is possible that the Poster will lose some Money on this Fake, If seller refuses a refund.
I am very good in detecting Fakes and I only Open my mouth If I am really really confident (have good Arguments) that a coin is Fake or authentic.
You can Post IT for example to forumancientcoins.com
I am confident that experts there will condemn IT,
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 Posted 04/20/2023  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list
@amentia, thank you for joining CCF and weighing in on this piece. Knowing that it is a die match for modern fakes is for sure conclusive. It is great to have your expertise here and I hope you stick around.
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 Posted 04/20/2023  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josephrg to your friends list
The eye detail and the end of the trunk do not seem to match the replica coin.I will get better edge pictures but do not see a seam anywhere around the edge.
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 Posted 04/21/2023  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amentia to your friends list
You will only have a seam on Cast Fakes, the seam is where the two Casting (1 obverse and 1 Reverse) moulds will meet. In most cases this seam will be removed on Cast Fakes, with file and polished.

This Fake is Not a Cast Fake so No characteristicas of Cast Fakes.

This Fake was pressed with modern Hand Cut dies.
Even coins from same dies will Always Look a little bit different.
1. Different die states, dies will get worn from usage and get die flaws and die Breaks with usage time.
2. The Strike, pressing, different Details will be captures, some Details will get lost or damage on Struck coins, this can be for example due to, Bad centering, flat Strike, slippage, Double strike etc
3. Then circulation or environmental influences that can effect the coin's surface and Details.

You should rather Look how much they have in Common, we have to consider that these dies are free Hand Cut and are very different from any real authentic die. If there are No differences Like Here or differences that can be explained with different die states, the striking/pressing or wear or environmental influences, IT IS a die match.

IT IS a very Common Replica I have IT 2 Times in Mint sate and 1 time altered with artificial wear and about every week you will See one of These on ebay.


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 Posted 04/21/2023  01:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list

Quote:
Did whoever designed this coin ever see an actual elephant?
I think the kebab legs are armor!!!
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