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Commems Collection Classic: 1892-93 World's Columbian Exposition - Sunday Controversy

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 Posted 04/10/2023  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list
Love that bit of information (commems)well done. Although I'm not quite as old as some here but close wish that we could go back to times when things seemed to be a little simpler
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 Posted 04/10/2023  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
I'm glad to see I shed some light on a new commemorative topic for folks. My only CCF mission is to educate!


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 Posted 04/11/2023  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
Commems,

I wanted to Thank You for The Topic. I mentioned Above in my reply, I have a GALVANO. The name I forgot. I wanted to Reply with the Right terminology. I forge t the Names.I found a Topic in My , A Comprenhensive Catalog and Encyclopedia of Morgan & Peace dollars , 4th Edition. Listed under a Title of :

Design Reduction, It helped me recall the Procedures,

" The preparation of the designs in enlarged size allowed the sculptor to more easily develop the designs and resulted in greater design sharpness when it was later reduced to the Actual coin size.
This reduction in design size was accomplished using a portrait lathe from the mid-1830's to 1867 when a Hill reducing lathe was acquired from Great Britain and used until 1907. A point traced the GALVANO surface in concentric circles.

THIS " COPPER SHELL " GALVANO was necessary since the tracer point would have dug into and scratched the Plaster of Paris Models. ". THIS Copper GALVANO I have, at least ONE of them...... It's about 3-4" around in Copper.... Your TOPIC reminded me of this Treasure,,,, Not found Easily Either Maybe a One Of A Kind. I have Never found out how Many dies were made for the 1892-93 Exposition, That would help....... Sorry I was away and Did not recall the proper Nomenclature... Mike

PS, A Very Unique Collectible, For Me......... Not saying this design was made Exactly the way described, But in the OLD Days, The process was the State of the Art, for the day, that's how it was made.... Now A Days by an Artistic Infusion Program that When the Coins or Medals Aare seen, The Designer's First Initial is Present and their Entire Last name spelt out on the Coins, Ont the Obverse and the Revers,,, The Classics had Hard to notice or they blended Easier and Smaller.... Sad how certain things change, Not Necessarily for the Good..
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 Posted 04/11/2023  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
Debbie,

Well Said, " Those were the days!!! ", My Friend...
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 Posted 04/11/2023  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list
@morgans_dad: Can you post some images? It sounds like you have an interesting piece!


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 Posted 04/11/2023  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
Commens,

Trust Me, It is Sweet. I do Not post my collection pictures, Anymore, Sorry.. It's a Full Two Sided GALVANO in Pure Copper. Quite the Piece....

I did HERE about 15 Years ago and received the Helpful Answers I needed to Pin Point the Exact Date, Exact Exposition The GALVANO was Made for. It Was kept under Glass since Before I I saw it, etc, ... Would not take it out of the case, Fragile and in nice condition Too, Pinned, Lying in a Cotton Bed, Under Glass....... . Having a Friend in a B&M has its Privileges, Having the Owner of said B&M being One Key Player in Many Many Transactions, Some Mouth Watering Examples I have SEEN and Heard of, Those Times are Gone, Once in a Lifetime Artworks, Coins, Etc..... Hidden away with Numerous Examples of American Currency and Coinage........ I am Fortunate to have Some of the Items I do. YOU probably answered some of those Questions, Back Then, Thanks for Asking, Mike.
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 Posted 04/13/2023  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
COMMEMS,

Since My last post on This Topic,
I have been contacted by some members with the EXACT pictures You desire. I HOPE they post Them Here, .. It's Not Every Day One of these comes to Bear...

Maybe THEY will Post up what they found, Thanks Fellow Collectors, Thanks for All You Do....


PS, The GALVANO is BRONZE, I previously stated it was Pure Copper, WRONG !! It's a Mutt....Copper+ Brass= Bronze.....


I am told the Mint produced this, FIRST COMMEMORATIVE for America, with MANY Dies, How many IDK. I do Know the piece is a Very Unique Numismatic Artifact from, Days gone Bye.... I Knew Then, ( 20+ ) years ago, WOW....


ps, Commems, ( I also realized, I joined this Group in 2008, You, a Tad later, so I do Not believe You were Around Here Then, Maybe wrong.....). Thanks for All You Do.... Mike.Thanks All...
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 Posted 04/15/2023  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list

Quote:
I am told the Mint produced this, FIRST COMMEMORATIVE for America, with MANY Dies, How many IDK.

Regarding dies for the Columbian Exposition Half Dollar, my understanding is that the Mint produced 63 dies for the Columbian Half Dollar coinage; the dies were made from two hubs (one obverse, one reverse).

The records don't specify the die split between obverse and reverse, but if we assume a roughly 50/50 split, we come up with approximately 31 obverse/reverse die pairings.

With roughly five million coins struck, it can be estimated that an average die pair was used to strike approximately 161,000 coins. Of course, such a number can vary greatly based on individual die failure or extended usefulness. It's also very possible that some number of dies were not actively used to produce coins, just held in reserve to fill a potential need if it arose.

Many TBD variables at this point, but we can at least "ballpark" production estimates.



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 Posted 04/15/2023  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
Thanks Commems,

I Appreciate the Info Too. If I May,

Collectors/Members, I am Asking , the following questions, Please Share Thoughts, .....

Would You consider a HUB to be a Museum Piece, Ever Seen One ? ( where )

Would You expect to See a Galvano, Out in the Wild, Have You ?

Would You expect to see a HUB or GALVANO, which Was used to Make the Hub's, Out in the " Wild "?....
Commems, I am Researching the Name on Your Beautiful Medal, Could you Help direct My attention to " The Triumphal Arch Designs ", I am searching for Those Drawings.......... Could You Help Me, Thanks.

Commems,
You Stated, "My understanding is that Alonso was awarded his medal based on the quality of the four drawings he submitted for a Triumphal Arch design."

I will get THIS all together, I Appreciate Any And ALL Information on the Four Drawings COMMEMS has Mentioned Earlier. Why would a Design Artist receive THIS Medal?

Those Drawings are the Focus of my Research. I wondered IF a person wanted to SEE posts from years Ago, Will it be Available, I am Not To computer Savy... Mike..


I am setting the stage for Discussions to be Clearer on this Topic, Mike...



Maybe seen in a Numismatic Historical Settings I Have Not, But.....

History is Crucial to the Future, With out it, We are only set to Wonder....
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 Posted 04/17/2023  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
Commems,


I wanted to Update You and Members, I have found in the History of the CCF, there were My Posted Pictures of My Galvano. I have Not been able to Get out to the Vaults to secure the Pieces. I thought what about My Original Posted 2011 Posts, Low and Behold, Jbuck Comes through Again, Thanks Jbuck!!!

He guided me to the History of Posted topics, and There it was, The Original Topic, I thought I posted in the Commemorative Forum, Wrong, I posted the Old Posts in the "Tokens, Medals, Challenge Coins, and other Exonumia " forum.

Today I was able to retrieve the Posts, Please check the Posts out. I asked the same Moderator to MOVE the Entire Thread to HERE.... Thanks All for the Help, @ Commems, A personal Thank You for All You Did, Do, Mike MD.
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Jbuck, Thanks for Always helping make the Day Easier, My Friend...
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Jbuck, I saw Again the 50th Anniversary KENNEDY Multi-Coin Set, Not long Ago, WOW....

The designs seem to Jump Out at You, Thought of Your Love for Them...... Be Well...
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Jbuck, I saw Again the 50th Anniversary KENNEDY Multi-Coin Set, Not long Ago, WOW....
Yes! I love that set!
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