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Blurry reverse pic, white balance out of adjustment. And I think it is also covered in Mylar but not positive. John1 
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, it's in a 2x2 and the color looks wrong in the pictures. That 2x2 should be white. If I white balance for the holder, the color looks like this, which is probably pretty close. 
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the coin looks really close to MS65RD. the obv looks solid for that grade. reverse is a little out of focus and some shadowing going on so I cant see the surfaces well enough to call that grade
my question would be if this coin is borderline the difference between 63, 64 and 65 is quite large so why isn't this coin slabbed. it just makes sense to get the most for the coin. I'm betting it was slabbed and cracked out as it wasnt what they wanted
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I cropped the pictures from the dealer. The wider shot shows an old holder with text on it. Dealer says he bought a coin collection from an estate and has many coins in the same texted holders all in this general condition. The holders look like they've got some age on them, so I don't think these are cracked out coins. He's asking more than 64 money, but less than 65 money, so it's a crap shoot for anyone with enough money to get in.
Edited by Blastenpene4 06/06/2023 07:32 am
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Love the look, but certainly wouldn't pay even 64 money for it without a slab.
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Does he have return privileges ?
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Edited by 52Raymo 06/06/2023 10:17 pm
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I really don't like the color. PCGS and NGC are notorious for slabbing these as "Altered or Questionable color". I say 50/50 shot on a straight grade or details. I would spend the same amount and find a nice MS64RD or nice MS64RB that is mostly red. No shot at a 65 though with all the marks on the reverse. If it straight grades, likely an MS63 with a shot at a 64. I did find this coin on ebay and it appears to have been sold and returned, probably for reasons stated above.
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How can you tell a coin on ebay has been sold and returned? Seems like that would be very useful info that I didn't know was discoverable.
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Pillar of the Community
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If you go to all of the sellers listings, there is a checkbox in (mine is on the left hand side) that allows you to see all of the sellers sold listings. It shows this seller accepted an off when the coin was listed at $499. The fact that it has been relisted tells me this was returned after it sold. Relisted for $80 more than before too!
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Great info. Thanks very much!
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Bedrock of the Community
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good find RedRaider 
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I'm with coinfrog on this one a likely candidate for a MS64 grade, possible RB but could go 63RB and it doesn't make sense to get this one without seeing it in hand first. too much leeway in photo trickery at play (maybe) and crap shoot on color, original surfaces.
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Pillar of the Community
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Won't straight grade, color isn't right.
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I'm glad Raymo is here to confirm my original comments about the color is wrong and to stay away.
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Quote: I'm glad Raymo is here to confirm my original comments about the color is wrong and to stay away.
Yes, you were spot on.
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